There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx 2xRx? MIMO-FD?
On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX) > MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes > but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their > specs. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system > > AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform > is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO. > > On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both >> polarities. >> >> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 >> polarities, there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The >> high-latency half duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air >> bandwidth at the expense of cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is >> still only 256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a >> relatively modest distance link. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> >> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is >> correct too. >> >> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:- >> A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to >> Transmit and the other channel is used to receive. >> and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H >> polarity (but not mingled). >> >> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, >> one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same >> channel... >> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other >> channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex) >> >> MIMO...., = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one >> can be used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex) >> >> AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and >> one channel/polarity for RX >> Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as... >> Use one channel (both polarities) >> for TX and one channel (both polarities) for RX >> or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in >> each channel, and use either one to TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO) >> AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both >> polarities) for RX >> >> AF24 = can be used as >> One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX >> and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX >> or can use the same one channel (dual >> polarities) for Tx and Rx. >> >> Hope this is as clear as mud ! >> >> :) >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"George Skorup" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >> >> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I >> guess I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual >> streams? And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel >> implied?) and independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps >> as simple as a LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic? >> >> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that >> matter since they're also capable of FDD. >> >> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's >> limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree >> because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some >> point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation >> isn't sufficient? >> >> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy. >> >> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy. >> >> ;-) >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"John Seaman" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >> >> Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference >> between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. >> Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the >> Orion can both radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the >> Orion does offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the >> Lynx. However with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the >> same. Orion also features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on >> the Lynx. Both models now support buffer size up to 8 MB. >> >> John Seaman | Sales | *Trango Systems, Inc. | * >> *+1-858-248-4006 <+1-858-248-4006> * >> | >> www.trangosys.com <http://trangosys.com/> >> *[image: Trango Systems] <http://www.trangosys.com/>* >> >> *Innovating Microwave Backhaul**™* >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a >>> license key as long as you don’t need XPIC? Trango doesn’t spell it out >>> very well on their website, but it looks like the major differences between >>> Lynx and Orion are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering >>> options? So that you could still double the throughput as long as you can >>> license a different frequency pair for the other polarization. And the >>> issue of the wired interface speed. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx >>> has been rock solid for going on four years now. It does 700Mbps FDX. I >>> believe that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Why in the world would they buy Exalt? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I thought Crisco bought out Exalt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the >>> end of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz. Oops, I just found the email, and it’s >>> everything but 6 GHz. Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway. Maybe someone else >>> was having an overstock sale on 6 GHz? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>> >>> >>> >>> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area. >>> >>> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with... >>> >>> >>> >>> Not a simple path to engineer. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Daniel White >>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>> >>> >>> >>> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max. That helps make it more >>> competitive. >>> >>> >>> >>> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the >>> link budget. Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or >>> split-mount/all-indoor. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your >>> most comfortable with. >>> >>> >>> >>> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE. DragonWave >>> Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about >>> 6GHz availability since it just started shipping. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things. >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >>> >>> ConVergence Technologies >>> >>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ... > > >
