Good point, I forgot the 3.65 band allows up to 1W/MHz EIRP, so maybe the conducted xmt power is higher than the 2 and 5 GHz variants.
Oh, and I was looking at AF3x vs PTP450 3.65 connectorized today, and was surprised to see that Cambium was actually cheaper. Not quite apples-to-apples since if I remember right PTP450 doesn’t support GPS sync? And AFx includes the GPS antenna. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? It may be amplifiers are the reason for the 3.65SM heatsink and a contributor to the higher pricing. There's a variety of COTS high-power 2ghz and 5ghz 256-QAM-capable amplifier ICs that I've seen inside various WISP products, it could be there is nothing easily available for 3.65 so that is a cause of the additional hardware/cooling and partially cost. On Nov 21, 2016 6:48 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I guess calculation is different for 3.65. They sell much less and in 5GHz there are more competitors. I dont believe UBNT/Cambium does something LTE Based. This SIM-Stuff and complicated infrastructure would hinder low cost. Wasn't there any licensing the vendor has to pay for patents? UBNT want to target their airmax price range. > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] Im > Auftrag von Ken Hohhof > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 12:37 > An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? > > Take a look at AF-3x pricing vs AF-5x, parts cost is probably the same but > Ubiquiti prices it at double. Also, I wouldn't expect any vendor to rush a > new > 3.65 product to market unless it is fully CBRS compatible and probably LTE > based. > > Best we could probably hope for is Cambium does some kind of HW refresh > based on the new wideband SM and brings the price down. It's not obvious to > me why the 3.65 SM is different from the 5 GHz SM, with the heatsink fins and > different LEDs, like it is based on the 450i design or something. It's not > like you > are going to run 40 MHz channels in 3.65. There's something going on that's > not apparent to the casual observer. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On > Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:59 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? > > I think there is 0,1% possibility this will happen. > As I understand the parameters of both systems are quite different. It would > need a lot of work to make them GPS-Compatible. Think you are Pera and have > the choice of bringing this to market 2017 or make compatibility and bring > this > to market 2018. Guess what ... > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] Im > > Auftrag von Josh Reynolds > > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 09:13 > > An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? > > > > "I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from > > the Cambium products" > > > > Good luck with that. > > > > I understand it could be a good way to transition, don't get me wrong, > > I just don't (A) think they really care, for whatever reason and (B) > > built their own system from the ground up with what they wanted to > maximize performance. > > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from > > > the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in > > the > > > same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up > > > that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be able > > > to coordinate throwing some other brand of AP in their and having to > > > watch frequency usage even closer. > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Jon Langeler > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Yeah can't wait > > >> > > >> Jon Langeler > > >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we > > >> supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out right > > >> now. > > >> Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out > > >> with some 3.65ghz gear.... > > >> > > >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] > > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Depends on what you mean by "good". > > >>> > > >>> Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special > > >>> occasions the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including the > > >>> tilt bracket, so worse than your $275. > > >>> > > >>> They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do what > > >>> you gotta do. We do have a lot of 3.65 Lite APs so we save a > > >>> little at that end. > > >>> > > >>> If you go through a lot of them, I'd work with your reseller to > > >>> negotiate a volume discount from Cambium. Like commit to 200 SMs > > >>> over the next year, see if they'll give you a better price, and > > >>> then take deliveries 50 at a time. It won't be 50% off, but > > >>> you'll probably get something. On the other hand, if you're like > > >>> me and most of your volume is 5 GHz, then just open your wallet, > > >>> unless you want to do LTE. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] > > >>> On Behalf Of Jon Langeler > > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:25 PM > > >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? > > >>> > > >>> Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or has > > >>> everyone just jumped ship? > > >>> > > >>> Jon Langeler > > >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >
