The PTP series has dynamic slots. You can't match it to PMP. PMP works as expected as always.
Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Nov 22, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not sure what you are referring to here. 450 in 3.65 has had sync ever > since it came out and it works exactly like sync in all the other bands. I > use them in 4x90, 20Mhz channels with ABAB all the time. > > Mark > > > >> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Jon Langeler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I confirmed with support that they weren't able to sync. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> We have PTP450s installed, and they appear to be syncing with co-located >>> PMP450s. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>> On 11/21/2016 7:56 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: >>>> Except it doesn't sync with anything yet. They may have fixed it in 15.0 >>>> but I haven't had time to test it. >>>> >>>> Jon Langeler >>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's correct. The PTP450 does support sync, but not over power. It's >>>>> the timing port or the highway. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/2016 4:06 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>>> If I remember right, PTP450 does support sync, just not sync over power >>>>>> (so you have to use the timing port), but AF-3x does have a pretty >>>>>> significant speed advantage, since they can use 40mhz channels and the >>>>>> PTP450 is limited to 20mhz (if I'm remembering right). >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Good point, I forgot the 3.65 band allows up to 1W/MHz EIRP, so maybe >>>>>>> the conducted xmt power is higher than the 2 and 5 GHz variants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, and I was looking at AF3x vs PTP450 3.65 connectorized today, and >>>>>>> was surprised to see that Cambium was actually cheaper. Not quite >>>>>>> apples-to-apples since if I remember right PTP450 doesn’t support GPS >>>>>>> sync? And AFx includes the GPS antenna. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It may be amplifiers are the reason for the 3.65SM heatsink and a >>>>>>> contributor to the higher pricing. There's a variety of COTS high-power >>>>>>> 2ghz and 5ghz 256-QAM-capable amplifier ICs that I've seen inside >>>>>>> various WISP products, it could be there is nothing easily available >>>>>>> for 3.65 so that is a cause of the additional hardware/cooling and >>>>>>> partially cost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 21, 2016 6:48 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess calculation is different for 3.65. They sell much less and in >>>>>>> 5GHz there are more competitors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont believe UBNT/Cambium does something LTE Based. This SIM-Stuff >>>>>>> and complicated infrastructure would hinder low cost. Wasn't there any >>>>>>> licensing the vendor has to pay for patents? UBNT want to target their >>>>>>> airmax price range. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>>> > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 12:37 >>>>>>> > An: [email protected] >>>>>>> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Take a look at AF-3x pricing vs AF-5x, parts cost is probably the >>>>>>> > same but >>>>>>> > Ubiquiti prices it at double. Also, I wouldn't expect any vendor to >>>>>>> > rush a new >>>>>>> > 3.65 product to market unless it is fully CBRS compatible and >>>>>>> > probably LTE >>>>>>> > based. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Best we could probably hope for is Cambium does some kind of HW >>>>>>> > refresh >>>>>>> > based on the new wideband SM and >>>>>>> > brings the price down. It's not obvious to >>>>>>> > me why the 3.65 SM is different from the 5 GHz SM, with the heatsink >>>>>>> > fins and >>>>>>> > different LEDs, like it is based on the 450i design or something. >>>>>>> > It's not like you >>>>>>> > are going to run 40 MHz channels in 3.65. There's something going on >>>>>>> > that's >>>>>>> > not apparent to the casual observer. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt >>>>>>> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:59 AM >>>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I think there is 0,1% possibility this will happen. >>>>>>> > As I understand the parameters of both systems are quite different. >>>>>>> > It would >>>>>>> > need a lot of work to make them GPS-Compatible. Think you are Pera >>>>>>> > and have >>>>>>> > the choice of bringing this to market 2017 or make compatibility and >>>>>>> > bring this >>>>>>> > to market 2018. Guess what ... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>>> > > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds >>>>>>> > > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 09:13 >>>>>>> > > An: [email protected] >>>>>>> > > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > "I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from >>>>>>> > > the Cambium products" >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Good luck with that. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > I understand it could be a good way to transition, don't get me >>>>>>> > > wrong, >>>>>>> > > I just don't (A) think they really care, for whatever reason and (B) >>>>>>> > > built their own system from the ground up with what they wanted to >>>>>>> > maximize performance. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters >>>>>>> > > > from >>>>>>> > > > the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in >>>>>>> > > the >>>>>>> > > > same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up >>>>>>> > > > that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be >>>>>>> > > > able >>>>>>> > > > to coordinate throwing some other brand of AP in their and having >>>>>>> > > > to >>>>>>> > > > watch frequency usage even closer. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Jon Langeler >>>>>>> > > > <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> Yeah can't wait >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> Jon Langeler >>>>>>> > > >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> > > >> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > > >> wrote: >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are >>>>>>> > > >> we >>>>>>> > > >> supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out >>>>>>> > > >> right now. >>>>>>> > > >> Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out >>>>>>> > > >> with some 3.65ghz gear.... >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> Depends on what you mean by "good". >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special >>>>>>> > > >>> occasions the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including >>>>>>> > > >>> the >>>>>>> > > >>> tilt bracket, so worse than your $275. >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do >>>>>>> > > >>> what >>>>>>> > > >>> you gotta do. We do have a lot of 3.65 Lite APs so we save a >>>>>>> > > >>> little at that end. >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> If you go through a lot of them, I'd work with your reseller to >>>>>>> > > >>> negotiate a volume discount from Cambium. Like commit to 200 >>>>>>> > > >>> SMs >>>>>>> > > >>> over the next year, see if they'll give you a better price, and >>>>>>> > > >>> then take deliveries 50 at a time. It won't be 50% off, but >>>>>>> > > >>> you'll probably get something. On the other hand, if you're >>>>>>> > > >>> like >>>>>>> > > >>> me and most of your volume is 5 GHz, then just open your wallet, >>>>>>> > > >>> unless you want to do LTE. >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > > >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler >>>>>>> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:25 PM >>>>>>> > > >>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> > > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or >>>>>>> > > >>> has >>>>>>> > > >>> everyone just jumped ship? >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> Jon Langeler >>>>>>> > > >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >
