Except it doesn't sync with anything yet. They may have fixed it in 15.0 but I haven't had time to test it.
Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's correct. The PTP450 does support sync, but not over power. It's the > timing port or the highway. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >> On 11/21/2016 4:06 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> If I remember right, PTP450 does support sync, just not sync over power (so >> you have to use the timing port), but AF-3x does have a pretty significant >> speed advantage, since they can use 40mhz channels and the PTP450 is limited >> to 20mhz (if I'm remembering right). >> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Good point, I forgot the 3.65 band allows up to 1W/MHz EIRP, so maybe the >>> conducted xmt power is higher than the 2 and 5 GHz variants. >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh, and I was looking at AF3x vs PTP450 3.65 connectorized today, and was >>> surprised to see that Cambium was actually cheaper. Not quite >>> apples-to-apples since if I remember right PTP450 doesn’t support GPS sync? >>> And AFx includes the GPS antenna. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners >>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>> >>> >>> It may be amplifiers are the reason for the 3.65SM heatsink and a >>> contributor to the higher pricing. There's a variety of COTS high-power >>> 2ghz and 5ghz 256-QAM-capable amplifier ICs that I've seen inside various >>> WISP products, it could be there is nothing easily available for 3.65 so >>> that is a cause of the additional hardware/cooling and partially cost. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 21, 2016 6:48 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I guess calculation is different for 3.65. They sell much less and in 5GHz >>> there are more competitors. >>> >>> I dont believe UBNT/Cambium does something LTE Based. This SIM-Stuff and >>> complicated infrastructure would hinder low cost. Wasn't there any >>> licensing the vendor has to pay for patents? UBNT want to target their >>> airmax price range. >>> >>> >>> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof >>> > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 12:37 >>> > An: [email protected] >>> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>> > >>> > Take a look at AF-3x pricing vs AF-5x, parts cost is probably the same but >>> > Ubiquiti prices it at double. Also, I wouldn't expect any vendor to rush >>> > a new >>> > 3.65 product to market unless it is fully CBRS compatible and probably LTE >>> > based. >>> > >>> > Best we could probably hope for is Cambium does some kind of HW refresh >>> > based on the new wideband SM and brings the price down. It's not obvious >>> > to >>> > me why the 3.65 SM is different from the 5 GHz SM, with the heatsink fins >>> > and >>> > different LEDs, like it is based on the 450i design or something. It's >>> > not like you >>> > are going to run 40 MHz channels in 3.65. There's something going on >>> > that's >>> > not apparent to the casual observer. >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt >>> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:59 AM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>> > >>> > I think there is 0,1% possibility this will happen. >>> > As I understand the parameters of both >>> > systems are quite different. It would >>> > need a lot of work to make them GPS-Compatible. Think you are Pera and >>> > have >>> > the choice of bringing this to market 2017 or make compatibility and >>> > bring this >>> > to market 2018. Guess what ... >>> > >>> > >>> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> > > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds >>> > > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 09:13 >>> > > An: [email protected] >>> > > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>> > > >>> > > "I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from >>> > > the Cambium products" >>> > > >>> > > Good luck with that. >>> > > >>> > > I understand it could be a good way to transition, don't get me wrong, >>> > > I just don't (A) think they really care, for whatever reason and (B) >>> > > built their own system from the ground up with what they wanted to >>> > maximize performance. >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from >>> > > > the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in >>> > > the >>> > > > same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up >>> > > > that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be able >>> > > > to coordinate throwing some other brand of AP in their and having to >>> > > > watch frequency usage even closer. >>> > > > >>> > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Jon Langeler >>> > > > <[email protected]> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Yeah can't wait >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Jon Langeler >>> > > >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> > > >> <[email protected]> >>> > > >> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >> No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we >>> > > >> supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out >>> > > >> right now. >>> > > >> Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out >>> > > >> with some 3.65ghz gear.... >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Depends on what you mean by "good". >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special >>> > > >>> occasions the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including the >>> > > >>> tilt bracket, so worse than your $275. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do what >>> > > >>> you gotta do. We do have a lot of 3.65 Lite APs so we save a >>> > > >>> little at that end. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> If you go through a lot of them, I'd work with your reseller to >>> > > >>> negotiate a volume discount from Cambium. Like commit to 200 SMs >>> > > >>> over the next year, see if they'll give you a better price, and >>> > > >>> then take deliveries 50 at a time. It won't be 50% off, but >>> > > >>> you'll probably get something. On the other hand, if you're like >>> > > >>> me and most of your volume is 5 GHz, then just open your wallet, >>> > > >>> unless you want to do LTE. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> > > >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler >>> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:25 PM >>> > > >>> To: [email protected] >>> > > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or has >>> > > >>> everyone just jumped ship? >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Jon Langeler >>> > > >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >
