I confirmed with support that they weren't able to sync. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > We have PTP450s installed, and they appear to be syncing with co-located > PMP450s. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >> On 11/21/2016 7:56 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: >> Except it doesn't sync with anything yet. They may have fixed it in 15.0 but >> I haven't had time to test it. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That's correct. The PTP450 does support sync, but not over power. It's the >>> timing port or the highway. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>> On 11/21/2016 4:06 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>> If I remember right, PTP450 does support sync, just not sync >>>> over power (so you have to use the timing port), but AF-3x does have a >>>> pretty significant speed advantage, since they can use 40mhz channels and >>>> the PTP450 is limited to 20mhz (if I'm remembering right). >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Good point, I forgot the 3.65 band allows up to 1W/MHz EIRP, so maybe the >>>>> conducted xmt power is higher than the 2 and 5 GHz variants. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and I was looking at AF3x vs PTP450 3.65 >>>>> connectorized today, and was surprised to see that Cambium was actually >>>>> cheaper. Not quite apples-to-apples since if I >>>>> remember right PTP450 doesn’t support GPS sync? And AFx includes the GPS >>>>> antenna. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:17 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It may be amplifiers are the reason for the 3.65SM heatsink and a >>>>> contributor to the higher pricing. There's a variety of COTS high-power >>>>> 2ghz and 5ghz 256-QAM-capable amplifier ICs that I've seen inside various >>>>> WISP products, it could be there is nothing easily available for 3.65 so >>>>> that is a cause of the additional hardware/cooling and partially cost. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 21, 2016 6:48 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess calculation is different for 3.65. They sell much less and in >>>>> 5GHz there are more competitors. >>>>> >>>>> I dont believe UBNT/Cambium does something LTE Based. This SIM-Stuff and >>>>> complicated infrastructure would hinder low cost. Wasn't there any >>>>> licensing the vendor has to pay for patents? UBNT want to target their >>>>> airmax price range. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof >>>>> > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 12:37 >>>>> > An: [email protected] >>>>> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>> > >>>>> > Take a look at AF-3x pricing vs AF-5x, parts cost is probably the same >>>>> > but >>>>> > Ubiquiti prices it at double. Also, I wouldn't expect any vendor to >>>>> > rush a new >>>>> > 3.65 product to market unless it is fully CBRS compatible and probably >>>>> > LTE >>>>> > based. >>>>> > >>>>> > Best we could probably hope for is Cambium does some kind of HW refresh >>>>> > based on the new wideband SM and brings the price down. It's not >>>>> > obvious to >>>>> > me why the 3.65 SM is different from the 5 GHz SM, with the heatsink >>>>> > fins and >>>>> > different LEDs, like it is based on the 450i design or something. It's >>>>> > not like you >>>>> > are going to run 40 MHz channels in 3.65. There's something going on >>>>> > that's >>>>> > not apparent to the casual observer. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt >>>>> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:59 AM >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>> > >>>>> > I think there is 0,1% possibility this will happen. >>>>> > As I understand the parameters of both systems are quite different. It >>>>> > would >>>>> > need a lot of work to make them GPS-Compatible. Think you are Pera and >>>>> > have >>>>> > the choice of bringing this to market 2017 or make compatibility and >>>>> > bring this >>>>> > to market 2018. Guess what ... >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> > > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds >>>>> > > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 09:13 >>>>> > > An: [email protected] >>>>> > > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > "I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from >>>>> > > the Cambium products" >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Good luck with that. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I understand it could be a good way to transition, don't get me wrong, >>>>> > > I just don't (A) think they really care, for whatever reason and (B) >>>>> > > built their own system from the ground up with what they wanted to >>>>> > maximize performance. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > > I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from >>>>> > > > the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > > same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up >>>>> > > > that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be able >>>>> > > > to coordinate throwing some other brand of AP in their and having to >>>>> > > > watch frequency usage even closer. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Jon Langeler >>>>> > > > <[email protected]> >>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Yeah can't wait >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Jon Langeler >>>>> > > >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> > > >> <[email protected]> >>>>> > > >> wrote: >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we >>>>> > > >> supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out >>>>> > > >> right now. >>>>> > > >> Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out >>>>> > > >> with some 3.65ghz gear.... >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >>>>> > > wrote: >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> Depends on what you mean by "good". >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special >>>>> > > >>> occasions the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including the >>>>> > > >>> tilt bracket, so worse than your $275. >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do what >>>>> > > >>> you gotta do. We do have a lot of 3.65 Lite APs so we save a >>>>> > > >>> little at that end. >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> If you go through a lot of them, I'd work with your reseller to >>>>> > > >>> negotiate a volume discount from Cambium. Like commit to 200 SMs >>>>> > > >>> over the next year, see if they'll give you a better price, and >>>>> > > >>> then take deliveries 50 at a time. It won't be 50% off, but >>>>> > > >>> you'll probably get something. On the other hand, if you're like >>>>> > > >>> me and most of your volume is 5 GHz, then just open your wallet, >>>>> > > >>> unless you want to do LTE. >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> > > >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler >>>>> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:25 PM >>>>> > > >>> To: [email protected] >>>>> > > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing? >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or has >>>>> > > >>> everyone just jumped ship? >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> Jon Langeler >>>>> > > >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >
