If most of them are bad, that won't really help. What types of CPE are you using? I would have a hard time believing that 450ds or SMs on some sort of reflector at customers in a 2.5 sq mi town with 20 APs couldn't maintain a more significant air rate.
Over a larger area, but I have over a dozen WISPs competitors, not to mention a sea of CableWiFi. In an 802.11 world, I shoot for MCS13+ in both directions. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Muehleisen" <ericm...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:30:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i I might have heard, on this list or on the forums, that Cambium is developing an airtime-fairness feature to combat this very issue. Did I dream this or is this a confirmed feature? If Cambium is listening, I'd love to help in the beta if/when it becomes available. On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Eric Muehleisen < ericm...@gmail.com > wrote: Sean, We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in this particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 square miles along with two other wireless internet providers. The frequency coordination and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x and 2x connections. On top of that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 roaming combination techs installing CPE all across western Kansas. You may have complete oversight of where and when you install customers... I simply do not have that luxury. I preach the importance of quality installs constantly, but between their supervisors, marketing teams and pressure from customers, they install what they feel comfortable. The install tech has full discretion, for better or for worse. In the face of all this, 2x subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that we made our own bed here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect world". As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who have poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only gained very little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us more than we gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant improvements over vanilla 450. On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: <blockquote> eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band? you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the close-in clients to them to provide more capacity. -sean On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen < ericm...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> In a perfect world. On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it probably looked like a good idea at the time to add a new customer but a couple low signal clients really affect total AP capacity. You could probably pull all the 1x and 2x clients and replace them with 10 times more customers running at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same utilization rates on that AP. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer < cr...@skywaveconnect.com > wrote: <blockquote> Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming. We are very careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer want a 10mb plan. I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink interference like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop the cash and put some 450m up on that tower. Sounds like that is a cash cow tower like my main tower is. From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jon Langeler < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < installe...@foxvalley.net > > wrote: > > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide > 15.0.2 > >> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection? > </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
