also the 450i and 450m are approved for 5600-5650 (TWDR) so there's another 50Mhz of spectrum to use if you are not in an area with TWDR ;-) the 450 SMs can use that spectrum with the latest software release.
-sean On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]> wrote: > Sean, > > No worries. I appreciate any advice given. I'm gonna make a push for 450m. > The steep price tag will be a major hurdle to overcome. > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> another option is 450i and 450m can use the 5.1 band (i think 450m is >> still waiting for FCC) >> >> right now the only SM available for 5.1Ghz is the 450i SM which is >> expensive, but cambium is supposed to release really soon a new wideband >> 450SM that can do 4.9-6Ghz. >> >> You can probably gain some efficiencies with the 450m because if your SMs >> are physically spread out enough then it can talk to several SMs at the >> same time. >> >> also just FYI I'm not part of the +1 slapping crowd...we all need to do >> what we need to do to sling interwebs in our areas. I was merely pointing >> out that the symptoms you described sounded like low modulation rate SMs. >> I'm not here to bash or berate anyone, just here to help find solutions >> because others have helped me along the way :-) >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sean, >>> >>> We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in >>> this particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 >>> square miles along with two other wireless internet providers. The >>> frequency coordination and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x >>> and 2x connections. On top of that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 >>> roaming combination techs installing CPE all across western Kansas. You may >>> have complete oversight of where and when you install customers... I simply >>> do not have that luxury. I preach the importance of quality installs >>> constantly, but between their supervisors, marketing teams and pressure >>> from customers, they install what they feel comfortable. The install tech >>> has full discretion, for better or for worse. In the face of all this, 2x >>> subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that we made our own bed >>> here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect world". >>> >>> As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who >>> have poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only >>> gained very little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us >>> more than we gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant >>> improvements over vanilla 450. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band? >>>> >>>> you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the >>>> close-in clients to them to provide more capacity. >>>> >>>> -sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In a perfect world. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x >>>>>> connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly >>>>>> choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it >>>>>> probably looked like a good idea at the time to add a new customer but a >>>>>> couple low signal clients really affect total AP capacity. You could >>>>>> probably pull all the 1x and 2x clients and replace them with 10 times >>>>>> more >>>>>> customers running at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same utilization >>>>>> rates on that AP. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your >>>>>>> peak performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming. We >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> very careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what >>>>>>> plans we >>>>>>> offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x >>>>>>> customer >>>>>>> want a 10mb plan. I do think that a 450i will definitely help with >>>>>>> uplink >>>>>>> interference like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop >>>>>>> the cash and put some 450m up on that tower. Sounds like that is a cash >>>>>>> cow tower like my main tower is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Jon Langeler < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User >>>>>>> Guide 15.0.2 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >>>>>>> >> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
