Sean, No worries. I appreciate any advice given. I'm gonna make a push for 450m. The steep price tag will be a major hurdle to overcome.
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Eric, > > another option is 450i and 450m can use the 5.1 band (i think 450m is > still waiting for FCC) > > right now the only SM available for 5.1Ghz is the 450i SM which is > expensive, but cambium is supposed to release really soon a new wideband > 450SM that can do 4.9-6Ghz. > > You can probably gain some efficiencies with the 450m because if your SMs > are physically spread out enough then it can talk to several SMs at the > same time. > > also just FYI I'm not part of the +1 slapping crowd...we all need to do > what we need to do to sling interwebs in our areas. I was merely pointing > out that the symptoms you described sounded like low modulation rate SMs. > I'm not here to bash or berate anyone, just here to help find solutions > because others have helped me along the way :-) > > -Sean > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sean, >> >> We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in >> this particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 >> square miles along with two other wireless internet providers. The >> frequency coordination and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x >> and 2x connections. On top of that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 >> roaming combination techs installing CPE all across western Kansas. You may >> have complete oversight of where and when you install customers... I simply >> do not have that luxury. I preach the importance of quality installs >> constantly, but between their supervisors, marketing teams and pressure >> from customers, they install what they feel comfortable. The install tech >> has full discretion, for better or for worse. In the face of all this, 2x >> subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that we made our own bed >> here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect world". >> >> As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who >> have poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only >> gained very little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us >> more than we gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant >> improvements over vanilla 450. >> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band? >>> >>> you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the >>> close-in clients to them to provide more capacity. >>> >>> -sean >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In a perfect world. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x >>>>> connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly >>>>> choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it >>>>> probably looked like a good idea at the time to add a new customer but a >>>>> couple low signal clients really affect total AP capacity. You could >>>>> probably pull all the 1x and 2x clients and replace them with 10 times >>>>> more >>>>> customers running at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same utilization >>>>> rates on that AP. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your >>>>>> peak performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming. We are >>>>>> very careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans >>>>>> we >>>>>> offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer >>>>>> want a 10mb plan. I do think that a 450i will definitely help with >>>>>> uplink >>>>>> interference like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop >>>>>> the cash and put some 450m up on that tower. Sounds like that is a cash >>>>>> cow tower like my main tower is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Jon Langeler < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i >>>>>> >>>>>> Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User >>>>>> Guide 15.0.2 >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >>>>>> >> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
