Eric, We have one site where competitor is less then 200 feet from one of our tower and frequency coordinate was issue. It has been resolved for some time now but we just put 450m on that tower replacing the 450. We saw significant improvements on signal to noise ratio, 4 to 6 dB. So by putting 450m you may improve some of your connections from 2x to 4x, if it is due to noise.
450m performance update: Yesterday we decided to load up one 450m from 80 customers to 113. We saw max throughput jump from 65 meg (5 min average) to 95 meg 5 min average. I was watching the peaks on router port and it was going all the way to 130 meg. So 450m is performing really well at least on one of our deployments. Kudos to Cambium on the product. Very encouraging. Keep up the good work Matt and his team. Tushar > On Jan 20, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sean, > > We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in this > particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 square > miles along with two other wireless internet providers. The frequency > coordination and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x and 2x > connections. On top of that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 roaming > combination techs installing CPE all across western Kansas. You may have > complete oversight of where and when you install customers... I simply do not > have that luxury. I preach the importance of quality installs constantly, but > between their supervisors, marketing teams and pressure from customers, they > install what they feel comfortable. The install tech has full discretion, for > better or for worse. In the face of all this, 2x subs sometimes get > installed. I understand fully that we made our own bed here. It is what it > is. This is why I say "in a perfect world". > > As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who have > poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only gained very > little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us more than we > gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant improvements over > vanilla 450. > >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band? >> >> you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the >> close-in clients to them to provide more capacity. >> >> -sean >> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> In a perfect world. >>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x >>>> connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly >>>> choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it >>>> probably looked like a good idea at the time to add a new customer but a >>>> couple low signal clients really affect total AP capacity. You could >>>> probably pull all the 1x and 2x clients and replace them with 10 times >>>> more customers running at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same >>>> utilization rates on that AP. >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer >>>>> <cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>>>> Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak >>>>> performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming. We are very >>>>> careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we >>>>> offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer >>>>> want a 10mb plan. I do think that a 450i will definitely help with >>>>> uplink interference like others have said. But i think your best bet is >>>>> to drop the cash and put some 450m up on that tower. Sounds like that is >>>>> a cash cow tower like my main tower is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Langeler >>>>> <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i >>>>> >>>>> Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet >>>>> >>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User >>>>> > Guide 15.0.2 >>>>> > >>>>> >> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >>>>> >> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection? >>>>> > >>>> >>> >> >
