Alot of isps have stock photos. As long as its not specifically marketed as
their site, its just a general image.
The nursing home here has all kinds of stock photos of nurses that dont
work there, its all young beautiful ladies, when the reality is its mostly
old obese women.
Ive also never eaten a fast food burger that looks like the image on the

Stock photos are sold to the stock photo vendors. Same as we buy upstream
bandwidth to sell to our customers. We dont own the internet, or the
"cloud" but many show images of a customer connected to a "cloud".

>From a facilities security standpoint, i would think it would be bad form
to present actual images of the real premise.

Somewhere along the lines the owner of the premise in this image gave
permission for it to be used as a stock photo. If our sites didnt look like
a bunch of rats had an orgy during a tornado, id love to see my sites used
to represent the industry

On Aug 6, 2017 9:13 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <>

Would it be wrong for me to put towers from another WISP on my website?

Seems like you should sell your own dog food.

On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Chuck McCown <> wrote:

Marketing – always a question of how far do you stretch the truth.
How many products have been announced with an artists conception or
rendering of the product as they hope it to be...

Our community is just particularly sensitive due to the fact the almost all
of us have run lotsa CAT5 and fiber in equipment rooms.
I liked Forrest’s analogy of hotels.

We all own hotels, and someone puts up a photo showing they have a very
nice pool, but we know the pool is not in at their hotel yet.  So some of
us point that out.

Real estate developers always have artists renderings that they use to
pre-sell.  An IX could be thought of as a multi tenant dwelling.  OK, so
they plan on putting dishwashers in all the units, just not done yet.

*From:* Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2017 5:56 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

I believe the issue is that the picture may not represent the actual IX in
question (or MMR of the building where the IX is located might be more
accurate).  Basically, and pardon me possibly putting words in some
people’s mouthes here, when a group of people put a lot of work into
something and then a picture of that work is used elsewhere to possibly
resemble where a potential employee would work then it’s just misleading
and could be considered offensive to the people who did all the work
originally ….. make sense?

You’ll notice my choice of words here because I’m making assumptions about
why the folks involved are upset and try to put myself in their shoes, at
which point, if I have all my facts straight, I would be quite upset as
well because it would look like someone else is taking complete credit for
someone else’s work …. In the world of IX’s (something I do know a lot
about) there is often people who don’t get pay checks as they volunteer
however they get the rewards to contributing towards a great thing for the
community … if you haven’t been involved at that level you may not
understand anything I’m suggesting here ….


On Aug 5, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Mitch Koep <> wrote:



Why are you so upset?

Did you have a bad dealing with someone and this is get back at them time?

I agree with Faisal it's a picture
On 8/5/2017 11:29 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Share with you a related story....

I was in a Conf. room of one of our Colo Facilities Providers, they had
some pictures on their Conf. Room wall, which all were nice.. but there was
one picture that caught eye and appeared to be very familiar.. it was a
picture of cluster of antennas mounted on the roof of that facility...

Upon a closer look, I recognized that that cluster was our antennas ! ...
so instantly two emotions came to mind... one was .. Hey that is a nice
picture ! I know to whom that stuff belongs to !... and the second... How
dare you take pictures of my equipment and hang it your conf. room (we
don't buy roof access from them)  !...

To me personally, the former feeling overcame the latter reaction... and I
actually felt proud of our little Cluster that someone viewed presentable
enough to put in their conf. room.

Having said that.. if you are not the copyright owner of the photo.. then
why does it bother you at all ? Hopefully you should feel proud that
picture of an actual facility you know is being liked by others and being
promoted on the net...

and that is IMHO !

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and your mileage may vary


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:


*From: *"Eric Kuhnke"
*To: *
*Sent: *Friday, August 4, 2017 7:38:33 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

I am not the copyright owner of the photo in question. This is only a
Please stop using the photo of the Westin Building 1901 fiber meet-me room
to advertise the Missouri IX.

Property owners and ISPs in the Pacific Northwest have spent a great deal
of time, money and effort building traffic exchange infrastructure.

In my opinion is not an accurate or factual depiction of whatever
facilities may currently exist in Missouri to use a photograph from a
carrier hotel in downtown Seattle.


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