I'm not sure IX employees ever really work in the MMR, rarely in the data 
center at all. Once a month? Once every other month? 

No claim of credit is being taken. 

Going to the original complaintant's employer's web site... is that lady doing 
whatever dev work she's doing a Noel employee\customer? Is that phone the type 
of phone you get with their voice service? Are those switches, patch panels and 
depictions of swirling light really what they're using? I'm assuming not. I'm 
assuming they're just stock images. I'm not assuming Noel is claiming all of 
the above. It's just a random image that looked nice and fit in with the page 
and what the service generally is. 

I suppose it would be different if we had pictures of SIX's core switches on 
our web site. We don't. We have a generic, pretty MMR. An MMR not maintained by 
volunteers, but the paid building management. No one's volunteered blood, sweat 
and tears went into it. Someone paid to do it was. 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> 
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:56:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX 

I believe the issue is that the picture may not represent the actual IX in 
question (or MMR of the building where the IX is located might be more 
accurate). Basically, and pardon me possibly putting words in some people’s 
mouthes here, when a group of people put a lot of work into something and then 
a picture of that work is used elsewhere to possibly resemble where a potential 
employee would work then it’s just misleading and could be considered offensive 
to the people who did all the work originally ….. make sense? 

You’ll notice my choice of words here because I’m making assumptions about why 
the folks involved are upset and try to put myself in their shoes, at which 
point, if I have all my facts straight, I would be quite upset as well because 
it would look like someone else is taking complete credit for someone else’s 
work …. In the world of IX’s (something I do know a lot about) there is often 
people who don’t get pay checks as they volunteer however they get the rewards 
to contributing towards a great thing for the community … if you haven’t been 
involved at that level you may not understand anything I’m suggesting here …. 


On Aug 5, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Mitch Koep < af...@abwisp.com > wrote: 

Why are you so upset? 
Did you have a bad dealing with someone and this is get back at them time? 
I agree with Faisal it's a picture Mitch 

On 8/5/2017 11:29 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 


Share with you a related story.... 

I was in a Conf. room of one of our Colo Facilities Providers, they had some 
pictures on their Conf. Room wall, which all were nice.. but there was one 
picture that caught eye and appeared to be very familiar.. it was a picture of 
cluster of antennas mounted on the roof of that facility... 

Upon a closer look, I recognized that that cluster was our antennas ! ... so 
instantly two emotions came to mind... one was .. Hey that is a nice picture ! 
I know to whom that stuff belongs to !... and the second... How dare you take 
pictures of my equipment and hang it your conf. room (we don't buy roof access 
from them) !... 

To me personally, the former feeling overcame the latter reaction... and I 
actually felt proud of our little Cluster that someone viewed presentable 
enough to put in their conf. room. 

Having said that.. if you are not the copyright owner of the photo.. then why 
does it bother you at all ? Hopefully you should feel proud that picture of an 
actual facility you know is being liked by others and being promoted on the 

and that is IMHO ! 

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and your mileage may vary !. 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 7:38:33 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX 


I am not the copyright owner of the photo in question. This is only a request. 

Please stop using the photo of the Westin Building 1901 fiber meet-me room to 
advertise the Missouri IX. 

Property owners and ISPs in the Pacific Northwest have spent a great deal of 
time, money and effort building traffic exchange infrastructure. 

In my opinion is not an accurate or factual depiction of whatever facilities 
may currently exist in Missouri to use a photograph from a carrier hotel in 
downtown Seattle. 





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