Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTAnd regulatory requirement.  Actually the FCC is 
relaxing the 8 hours battery backup requirement.  We may be able to charge the 
customer for UPS capability at some point.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

ah I see.  For telephone reliability?


------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 3:00:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

  Nope.  It is a requirement for regulated areas, not so for unregulated areas. 
 

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

  There's a UPS included in the parts list for PON setup.  Not included on AE?


  ------ Original Message ------
  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/12/2018 2:50:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

    $100/house for AE

    You pay for the splitters that fit the cabinet and cross box.  Some cost 
more than others depending on the sheet metal.  

    From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
    Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44 PM
    To: Chuck McCown 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

    Chuck,

    What would you house total be for AE?  Also $900 for 1x32 splitter, you 
need to find a better vendor.  The bare end PLC's are $14 the fancy 
connectorized ones are $40 at fs.com.  $11K for a 8 port card and $845 for a 
Laser, that's why we didn't/couldn't go with calix.
    That $120.67 should be about $40-$50.

    -- 
    Best regards,
    Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

    Myakka Technologies, Inc.
    www.MyakkaTech.com

    ------

    Monday, February 12, 2018, 2:32:03 PM, you wrote:


         ONT Housing (Clam Shell) $           29.00  
                ONT $         215.00  
                Unicam $           15.00  
                Cyber Power $           81.00  
                Cyber Install $         110.00  
                House Sub Total $         450.00  
                
                OLT $11K/8/32 $           42.97  
                OIM $845/32 $           38.27  
                Splitter $900/32 $           39.43  
                DLC per Sub Subtotal $         120.67  
                
                
                Electronics/Sub Total Expense $         570.67  


          From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
          Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
          To: Chuck McCown
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

          Chuck,

          Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser 
and a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000.


          So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 
per user.  Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for 
electronics.  As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better.  But, we 
are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI.  Remember we are 
debating fiber.  I have ONT's out there over 72 months old.  I'm sure Chuck has 
some at least 2 or 3 years older than that.  I don't plan on any type of major 
upgrade for several years.

          But I must stress there is no right answer.  AE vs GPON.  You need to 
make sure you fully understand both options before making a decision.  Not to 
mention, you can run both.  We are setup to do AE,  We currently have 2 
customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side.

          -- 
          Best regards,
          Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

          Myakka Technologies, Inc.
          www.MyakkaTech.com

          ------

          Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:


               When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested 
in cpe electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and 
outdoor cabinets.  

                When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per 
customer.  
                For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time 
convincing myself to do PON.  

                From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
                Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
                To: Chuck McCown
                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                Chuck,

                PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.

                -- 
                Best regards,
                Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                www.MyakkaTech.com

                ------

                Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:


                     Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross 
connect boxes?

                      From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
                      Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
                      To: Adam Moffett
                      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                      Adam,

                      There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The 
requirement
                      when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two 
ONTs cannot
                      exceed 20Km."

                      The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel 
down long stretches of roads between neighborhoods.

                      We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will 
splice that into the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were 
using a 144 count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles 
depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to 
ribbons 10-12.  We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget.  

                      We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to 
optimize max usage per port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on 
our ports.





                      -- 
                      Best regards,
                      Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                      Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                      www.MyakkaTech.com

                      ------

                      Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:


                           Maybe I need to review the math.

                            I was figuring on several small splitters along the 
route.  I didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I 
brought every fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus 
ethernet.


                            ------ Original Message ------
                            From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com>
                            To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com>
                            Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
                            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


                                 Adam,

                                How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 
20 miles on a 1x32 split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?

                                -- 
                                Best regards,
                                Mark                            
mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                                Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                                www.MyakkaTech.com

                                ------

                                Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you 
wrote:


                                 I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses 
per mile).  As I'm looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding 
that if I run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 
5-6 times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 
or so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.

                                Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  
The numbers just aren't seeming to work out for me.

                                I also figure if I install enough fibers for 
AE, I can still switch to PON some day if I want to.

                                We would never max out the PON port, but 
looking back on the past 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should 
ever say "never". In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll 
"never" have to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be 
limited.

                                -Adam


                                ------ Original Message ------
                                From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
                                To: af@afmug.com
                                Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
                                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


                                 A few reasons...

                                Port cost is still fairly high.

                                More splicing.

                                More fiber required.

                                Larger chassis required.

                                More power required.

                                More battery backup required.

                                Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 
generations back of PON capacity in most places.

                                On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                                 So, why do PON and not active in these super 
cheap optics days?

                                From: Chuck Hogg
                                Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
                                To: af@afmug.com
                                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                                We are walking away from them and Alphion...I 
think Mark's product with Zhone is different.

                                Regards,
                                Chuck

                                On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

                                 I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from 
DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far 
away form. I don't remember which.  ;-)



                                -----
                                Mike Hammett
                                Intelligent Computing Solutions

                                Midwest Internet Exchange

                                The Brothers WISP





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                                From: "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
                                To: af@afmug.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
                                Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                                In light of finding out that Calix's offering 
is not going to be anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other 
suggestions? 

                                I found these guys, but have never heard of 
them:
                                
http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116

                                It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've 
at least heard of them:
                                
http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf

                                -Jason 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                           
                     
               
         

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