ah I see.  For telephone reliability?

------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 3:00:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Nope. It is a requirement for regulated areas, not so for unregulated areas.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:53 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

There's a UPS included in the parts list for PON setup. Not included on AE?


------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 2:50:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

$100/house for AE

You pay for the splitters that fit the cabinet and cross box. Some cost more than others depending on the sheet metal.

From:Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44 PM
To:Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Chuck,

What would you house total be for AE? Also $900 for 1x32 splitter, you need to find a better vendor. The bare end PLC's are $14 the fancy connectorized ones are $40 at fs.com. $11K for a 8 port card and $845 for a Laser, that's why we didn't/couldn't go with calix.
That $120.67 should be about $40-$50.

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Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

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Monday, February 12, 2018, 2:32:03 PM, you wrote:


ONT Housing (Clam Shell)
$           29.00
ONT
$         215.00
Unicam
$           15.00
Cyber Power
$           81.00
Cyber Install
$         110.00
House Sub Total
$         450.00
OLT $11K/8/32
$           42.97
OIM $845/32
$           38.27
Splitter $900/32
$           39.43
DLC per Sub Subtotal
$         120.67
Electronics/Sub Total Expense
$         570.67


From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Chuck,

Dug up some of my costs on the GPON. One port with a C+ class laser and a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000.


So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 per user. Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for electronics. As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better. But, we are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI. Remember we are debating fiber. I have ONT's out there over 72 months old. I'm sure Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 years older than that. I don't plan on any type of major upgrade for several years.

But I must stress there is no right answer. AE vs GPON. You need to make sure you fully understand both options before making a decision. Not to mention, you can run both. We are setup to do AE, We currently have 2 customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side.

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Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

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Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:


When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor cabinets.

When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to do PON.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Chuck,

PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.

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Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

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Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:


Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Adam Moffett
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Adam,

There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
exceed 20Km."

The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long stretches of roads between neighborhoods.

We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget.

We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.





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Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

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Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:


Maybe I need to review the math.

I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com>
To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


Adam,

How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?

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Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

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Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:


I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.

Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't seeming to work out for me.

I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to PON some day if I want to.

We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.

-Adam


------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


A few reasons...

Port cost is still fairly high.

More splicing.

More fiber required.

Larger chassis required.

More power required.

More battery backup required.

Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON capacity in most places.

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?

From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with Zhone is different.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember which. ;-)



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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

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From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?

I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116

It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf

-Jason

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