It's trivial to convert a homerun active Ethernet network into a PON network. 

Not so the other way. 


Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 
From: "Adam Moffett" <>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

That's also a compelling point.
It's not a simple question for sure.  
The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company wanted to 
purchase our network down the road I have to think about what THEY will prefer. 
 They'll probably prefer PON. 
Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a bias 
towards ethernet because it's familiar.  I try to bear that in mind too.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <[]>
Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe 
electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor 
When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. 
For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to do 


From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.

Best regards,

Myakka Technologies, Inc.[]


Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:
 Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Adam Moffett
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
exceed 20Km."

The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long stretches 
of roads between neighborhoods.

We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into the last 
3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were using a 144 count cable, 
ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles depending on density or 
distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons 10-12.  We just 
keep doing this until we run out of light budget. 

We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage per 
port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.

Best regards,
Mark                  []

Myakka Technologies, Inc.[]


Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:
 Maybe I need to review the math.

I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I didn't compare to 
a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber back to the 
cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <[]>
To: "Adam Moffett" <[]>
Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split.  Are 
you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?

Best regards,
Mark                  []

Myakka Technologies, Inc.[]


Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:
 I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm looking at 
hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line down the 
road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then I'm getting 
too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so houses per port, a 1U, 8 
port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.

Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't seeming 
to work out for me.

I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to PON some 
day if I want to.

We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 years of 
growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE I can put 
100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that as far as I 
can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <[]>
Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
 A few reasons...

Port cost is still fairly high.

More splicing.

More fiber required.

Larger chassis required.

More power required.

More battery backup required.

Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON capacity in 
most places.

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
<[]> wrote:
 So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?

From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with Zhone 
is different.


On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett 
<[]> wrote:
 I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN that 
rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember which.  

Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions[]

Midwest Internet Exchange[]

The Brothers WISP[]

From: "Jason McKemie" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere near 
within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?

I found these guys, but have never heard of them:[]

It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:[]


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