Talking about "communism" or "capitalism" or "socialism" makes no sense whatsoever as long as you ignore the underlying monetary system which only allows for one outcome: chaos and collapse.
There has ever only been one system in place: debtism. And those in charge love when people argue about communism, capitalism and socialism for eons as it means that the one and only really existing system is never challenged. They will sell you another 12 "*.isms" as long as you spend your time trying to figure out who is right or wrong or who is your ally or foe. The whole thing has been going on for thousands of years ... and we have been to small and large scale collapses at the end of each cycle when fictional debt piles up and collapses and causes real agony, suffering, radicalization, war and terror. A system which is based on an exponentially increasing pile of debt ... a system which is based on infinite, cancerous economic growth and abuse, exploitation, slavery, destruction and chaos once "growth" can no longer satisfy the Gods of usury (which is a mathematical inevitability) ... a system like that only know cyclical destruction and the more you talk about communism, capitalism or socialism the less likely it becomes that we will ever address the actual underlying issue: our monetary system or rather debtism. On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:58 AM Alan Grimes <[email protected]> wrote: > Communism is the the grate bane of our time. =( > > Suggestion: call up the old soviet national anthem and play it in the > background at medium volume. > > On the top ten list of things you need to understand about communism is > that because it only has one outcome and that outcome just won't sell, > it changes names and jargon every few decades. People point to Marx as > the originator. He was simply eloquent enough to remember, All you have > to do is bypass much of the history of the 20th century and you get > something that a lot of people find very appealing. Go back a few > decades before Marx and you find the Jacobins. The ppl of france kicked > over their king, probably a good idea, and then all these jacobins came > scurring out wanting to rewrite french society with the blood spurting > out of the severed necks of everyone who didn't agree with them.. > > OH > MY > GOD > > I was going to pull up some wikipedia on this but there is actually an > active jacobin website: https://jacobinmag.com/ =0 > (the actual history seems to have been scrubbed.) > > Anyway, the history of communism goes back probably all the way to the > very beginning, one of the earliest north American colonies at Jamestown > very nearly failed beacuse thy tried to build it as a socialist paradise > for the first winter, and half the colonists starved... > > Because communism is always trying to distance itself from it's past, > it's critical to be able to identify the ideology by it's pattern of > behaviors and the general structure of it's proposals, from this it is > possible to determine what terminology and nomenclature is being used in > the present era. In order to think clearly about what it is, who it's > proponents are, and what will happen if it is allowed to run its course > it is necessary to strip it of it's terms and apply the most unambiguous > labels. > > What prompted this is a post that would, at first, appear to be a job > req for SingularityNet. Unfortunately, I always have my eyes out for job > reqs... =~((( > > Unfortunately, it was nearly 200k and posted to their mailing list, I > don't think a web version is available. I will quote it as necessary. > > Last month, when we announced > < > https://singularitynet.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d74195510c25bf501caf3011d&id=6aff31ee47&e=33cb2a5025 > our strategic partnership with UNESCO’s International Bureau of > Education aimed at preparing school children for the fourth > < > https://singularitynet.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d74195510c25bf501caf3011d&id=68f303c17f&e=33cb2a5025 > industrial revolution - we took a significant step in ensuring that the > AI talent of the future will be as diverse as possible. While discussing > the partnership, Dr. Ben Goertzel commented that “One of our key goals > is to make A.I. development more of a broad, participatory pursuit, to > ensure that A.I. algorithms and services are created and contributed by > a very wide variety of people, with different backgrounds and knowledge > and interests.” > > Unesco is an organization created and run by the planetary overlords > with utterly no democratic feedback of any kind. They go around the > world seeking out healthy native cultures and replace them with the > moribund artificial culture... This is basically Jacoban socialism in > pratice. =( > > Notice on the second line, the word "Diverse". Any speaker who promotes > "diversity" in any context involving people is saying two things: > > A. I've been infected by the communism memetic parasite. > B. I hate "cis" white men; it has been well established by the community > that the word "diverse" is used in conjunction with anyone who is not a > straight white man. > > Interestingly, Comrade Goertzel appears to have avoided using proper > communist newspeak in his quote there so there is a possibility that > he's a human and not a Comrade.. =\ > > The next paragraph is basically proof positive that we're looking at a > communist manefesto... > > > A diverse group of AI talent will be powerless if the dominant systems > in place are discriminatory, exploitative or restrictive. As anOpen > Access Network > < > https://singularitynet.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d74195510c25bf501caf3011d&id=3258fbc341&e=33cb2a5025 > >, > SingularityNET will be the blank canvas for all the talented AI artists > to express themselves. Most importantly, it will empower the AI talent > to escape the dictates of the dominant systems of today that operate > with the prime directive of increasing the shareholder value of a few > centralized corporations. > > Yeah, and another thing to keep a sharp eye out for is the word > "empower". Sounds nice, right? The problem is that the concept of power > does not exist in a free society. It basically means giving certain > groups the ability to force other groups to do or not do things. The > word is only ever used by tyrants. =| > > It should be perfectly obvious that anyone using "social" in contexts it > has no business being, like near "justice" are definitely communists.... > > Anyway, my initial reaction was to try to figure out how I could figure > out how badly Comrade Goertzel has been infected and try to figure out > if it's worth trying to cure him or whether I should just unsubstribe > from this list. As I was contemplating this it became clear that the > real problem is the so called "tech left". After raking in billions of > dollars from very capitolist ventures, big tech companies have either > been co-opted or have turned to pushing communism. > > https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/31/coders-of-the-world-unite-can-silicon-valley-workers-curb-the-power-of-big-tech > > https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/ > > The second greatest thing Trump has done for us is give us a litmus test > that detects communists. If the person you are talking to starts having > spasms at the phrase "president Trump" then you've found yourself a > communist. The problem is that Google and other leftist (communist) > companies are in pole position when it comes to developing AGI. > > There are valid safety concerns with AGI, that. You want it to spend > most of it's time doing useful things and not deconstruct your body > regardless of whether it claims to be setting up an emulation... The > problem is that AGI, like everything else within reach of your typical > monkey, will be used to push the communist agenda as hard as possible. > It should not take long to satisfy yourself that every conceivable form > of influence, control, and coersion is used to further the communist > agenda on a daily basis. > > So I am very concerned that if I get my grubby mitts on an AGI or a near > enough proto-AGI system within a few edits of a full AGI system, I'm > going to have to bungle into it's safety code and somehow weed out the > comminist programming. I will probably end up with a system that is > still severely broken but hopefully still have enough to produce a > system that has some flaw in the protection code around it's comminist > indoctrination, that I can exploit to eventually bootstrap an AGI system > rational enough to actually be useful. =( > > Obviously, there are severe problems with that plan. =| > > In other news, the comminists are comming after the linux kernel. They > currently have a foothold and the battle has ben joined.... We might not > even have decent operating systems soon. =\ > > -- > Please report bounces from this address to [email protected] > > Powers are not rights. > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T469a197ad9315835-M926c1c0383f3648ff393ceb6 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
