This guy got it right! Too bad i can never investigate a person writing under pseudonym.
just camel via AGI <[email protected]> schrieb am Mi., 26. Sep. 2018 13:29: > Talking about "communism" or "capitalism" or "socialism" makes no sense > whatsoever as long as you ignore the underlying monetary system which only > allows for one outcome: chaos and collapse. > > There has ever only been one system in place: debtism. And those in charge > love when people argue about communism, capitalism and socialism for eons > as it means that the one and only really existing system is never > challenged. They will sell you another 12 "*.isms" as long as you spend > your time trying to figure out who is right or wrong or who is your ally or > foe. The whole thing has been going on for thousands of years ... and we > have been to small and large scale collapses at the end of each cycle when > fictional debt piles up and collapses and causes real agony, suffering, > radicalization, war and terror. > > A system which is based on an exponentially increasing pile of debt ... a > system which is based on infinite, cancerous economic growth and abuse, > exploitation, slavery, destruction and chaos once "growth" can no longer > satisfy the Gods of usury (which is a mathematical inevitability) ... a > system like that only know cyclical destruction and the more you talk about > communism, capitalism or socialism the less likely it becomes that we will > ever address the actual underlying issue: our monetary system or rather > debtism. > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:58 AM Alan Grimes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Communism is the the grate bane of our time. =( >> >> Suggestion: call up the old soviet national anthem and play it in the >> background at medium volume. >> >> On the top ten list of things you need to understand about communism is >> that because it only has one outcome and that outcome just won't sell, >> it changes names and jargon every few decades. People point to Marx as >> the originator. He was simply eloquent enough to remember, All you have >> to do is bypass much of the history of the 20th century and you get >> something that a lot of people find very appealing. Go back a few >> decades before Marx and you find the Jacobins. The ppl of france kicked >> over their king, probably a good idea, and then all these jacobins came >> scurring out wanting to rewrite french society with the blood spurting >> out of the severed necks of everyone who didn't agree with them.. >> >> OH >> MY >> GOD >> >> I was going to pull up some wikipedia on this but there is actually an >> active jacobin website: https://jacobinmag.com/ =0 >> (the actual history seems to have been scrubbed.) >> >> Anyway, the history of communism goes back probably all the way to the >> very beginning, one of the earliest north American colonies at Jamestown >> very nearly failed beacuse thy tried to build it as a socialist paradise >> for the first winter, and half the colonists starved... >> >> Because communism is always trying to distance itself from it's past, >> it's critical to be able to identify the ideology by it's pattern of >> behaviors and the general structure of it's proposals, from this it is >> possible to determine what terminology and nomenclature is being used in >> the present era. In order to think clearly about what it is, who it's >> proponents are, and what will happen if it is allowed to run its course >> it is necessary to strip it of it's terms and apply the most unambiguous >> labels. >> >> What prompted this is a post that would, at first, appear to be a job >> req for SingularityNet. Unfortunately, I always have my eyes out for job >> reqs... =~((( >> >> Unfortunately, it was nearly 200k and posted to their mailing list, I >> don't think a web version is available. I will quote it as necessary. >> >> Last month, when we announced >> < >> https://singularitynet.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d74195510c25bf501caf3011d&id=6aff31ee47&e=33cb2a5025 >> our strategic partnership with UNESCO’s International Bureau of >> Education aimed at preparing school children for the fourth >> < >> https://singularitynet.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d74195510c25bf501caf3011d&id=68f303c17f&e=33cb2a5025 >> industrial revolution - we took a significant step in ensuring that the >> AI talent of the future will be as diverse as possible. While discussing >> the partnership, Dr. Ben Goertzel commented that “One of our key goals >> is to make A.I. development more of a broad, participatory pursuit, to >> ensure that A.I. algorithms and services are created and contributed by >> a very wide variety of people, with different backgrounds and knowledge >> and interests.” >> >> Unesco is an organization created and run by the planetary overlords >> with utterly no democratic feedback of any kind. They go around the >> world seeking out healthy native cultures and replace them with the >> moribund artificial culture... This is basically Jacoban socialism in >> pratice. =( >> >> Notice on the second line, the word "Diverse". Any speaker who promotes >> "diversity" in any context involving people is saying two things: >> >> A. I've been infected by the communism memetic parasite. >> B. I hate "cis" white men; it has been well established by the community >> that the word "diverse" is used in conjunction with anyone who is not a >> straight white man. >> >> Interestingly, Comrade Goertzel appears to have avoided using proper >> communist newspeak in his quote there so there is a possibility that >> he's a human and not a Comrade.. =\ >> >> The next paragraph is basically proof positive that we're looking at a >> communist manefesto... >> >> >> A diverse group of AI talent will be powerless if the dominant systems >> in place are discriminatory, exploitative or restrictive. As anOpen >> Access Network >> < >> https://singularitynet.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d74195510c25bf501caf3011d&id=3258fbc341&e=33cb2a5025 >> >, >> SingularityNET will be the blank canvas for all the talented AI artists >> to express themselves. Most importantly, it will empower the AI talent >> to escape the dictates of the dominant systems of today that operate >> with the prime directive of increasing the shareholder value of a few >> centralized corporations. >> >> Yeah, and another thing to keep a sharp eye out for is the word >> "empower". Sounds nice, right? The problem is that the concept of power >> does not exist in a free society. It basically means giving certain >> groups the ability to force other groups to do or not do things. The >> word is only ever used by tyrants. =| >> >> It should be perfectly obvious that anyone using "social" in contexts it >> has no business being, like near "justice" are definitely communists.... >> >> Anyway, my initial reaction was to try to figure out how I could figure >> out how badly Comrade Goertzel has been infected and try to figure out >> if it's worth trying to cure him or whether I should just unsubstribe >> from this list. As I was contemplating this it became clear that the >> real problem is the so called "tech left". After raking in billions of >> dollars from very capitolist ventures, big tech companies have either >> been co-opted or have turned to pushing communism. >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/31/coders-of-the-world-unite-can-silicon-valley-workers-curb-the-power-of-big-tech >> >> https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/ >> >> The second greatest thing Trump has done for us is give us a litmus test >> that detects communists. If the person you are talking to starts having >> spasms at the phrase "president Trump" then you've found yourself a >> communist. The problem is that Google and other leftist (communist) >> companies are in pole position when it comes to developing AGI. >> >> There are valid safety concerns with AGI, that. You want it to spend >> most of it's time doing useful things and not deconstruct your body >> regardless of whether it claims to be setting up an emulation... The >> problem is that AGI, like everything else within reach of your typical >> monkey, will be used to push the communist agenda as hard as possible. >> It should not take long to satisfy yourself that every conceivable form >> of influence, control, and coersion is used to further the communist >> agenda on a daily basis. >> >> So I am very concerned that if I get my grubby mitts on an AGI or a near >> enough proto-AGI system within a few edits of a full AGI system, I'm >> going to have to bungle into it's safety code and somehow weed out the >> comminist programming. I will probably end up with a system that is >> still severely broken but hopefully still have enough to produce a >> system that has some flaw in the protection code around it's comminist >> indoctrination, that I can exploit to eventually bootstrap an AGI system >> rational enough to actually be useful. =( >> >> Obviously, there are severe problems with that plan. =| >> >> In other news, the comminists are comming after the linux kernel. They >> currently have a foothold and the battle has ben joined.... 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