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Just saying. /NJ/ On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> A causal set or causet is a finite, acyclic poset (details left out). > > > > That mathematical structure has no intrinsic relation to causality, > though.. > > > >>Causets have an awsome power of representation of > >> the world. > > > > Sure, but cyclic graphs and hypergraphs have an even more awesome power > ;) > > > >> SERGIO REPLIES> Boulder < knocking down the tree (where `<' means > precedes) > >> is the causality. > > > > No, that is just temporal precedence between two associated events. > > Do you actually have a definition of causality? > > > >> SERGIO REPLIES> I believe the physical world exists independently of > us, and > >> that we are physical objects part of it. And we interact with that > physical > >> world via our senses and muscles. I see the brain as a machine that > helps us > >> to survive. This is my foundational starting point. Can you explain > yours a > >> little more? Do you mean the physical world does not exist, that we only > >> imagine it? > > > > I certainly don't embrace naive realism as you describe it, but nor do > > I have the time to embark on a huge philosophical discussion right now > > ;) > > > > Among many, many other issues, the definition of "exist" is certainly > > not as clear as your question presumes... > > > > ben > > > > > > Yes lets revisit some basic definitions, > Physics etymologically pertains to nature. > Where Phy is to bring forth, produce, make to grow. > In summary the summary of what has grown or been produced. > > Typically as with Newtonian Mechanics, > it refers to solid body geometrical forms. > > Exists, Knowledge and Reality, > fall more in the realm of Philosophy, > the Love of Wisdom, or mental phenomena. > > Exists is anything that can be imagined, > people typically require a description, > and possibly previous experience, > to imagine something, and agree, > that it exists for them. > > Knowledge is previous experience. > Real is an intersection of belief sets. > Facts are elements of the real. > True be personal experience. > > > So what may be real for one group of people, > may be false for another group of people. > If the other group hasn't experienced. > > I.e. if group a has experienced computers, > and group b does not, then computers are true for group a. > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/20912103-eed2d0e1 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
