Logan, Still, there is the mad scientist experiment. This scientist has extracted your brain, erased everything from it, and connected it to a computer under his control. Now he just sends signals and makes you believe anything he wants you to believe. But then, how do you know you are not already the subject of such experiment? Don't worry. An electrical engineer already found the answer. He said: What if there is a power outage?
I am a Physicist, kind of what-you-see-is-what-you-get person. And I treat what I see the same way. If I see it, I try to explain it. It works sometimes. Sergio -----Original Message----- From: Logan Streondj [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:24 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The Visual Alphabet On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > >> A causal set or causet is a finite, acyclic poset (details left out). > > That mathematical structure has no intrinsic relation to causality, though.. > >>Causets have an awsome power of representation of the world. > > Sure, but cyclic graphs and hypergraphs have an even more awesome > power ;) > >> SERGIO REPLIES> Boulder < knocking down the tree (where `<' means >> precedes) is the causality. > > No, that is just temporal precedence between two associated events. > Do you actually have a definition of causality? > >> SERGIO REPLIES> I believe the physical world exists independently of >> us, and that we are physical objects part of it. And we interact with >> that physical world via our senses and muscles. I see the brain as a >> machine that helps us to survive. This is my foundational starting >> point. Can you explain yours a little more? Do you mean the physical >> world does not exist, that we only imagine it? > > I certainly don't embrace naive realism as you describe it, but nor do > I have the time to embark on a huge philosophical discussion right now > ;) > > Among many, many other issues, the definition of "exist" is certainly > not as clear as your question presumes... > > ben > > Yes lets revisit some basic definitions, Physics etymologically pertains to nature. Where Phy is to bring forth, produce, make to grow. In summary the summary of what has grown or been produced. Typically as with Newtonian Mechanics, it refers to solid body geometrical forms. Exists, Knowledge and Reality, fall more in the realm of Philosophy, the Love of Wisdom, or mental phenomena. Exists is anything that can be imagined, people typically require a description, and possibly previous experience, to imagine something, and agree, that it exists for them. Knowledge is previous experience. Real is an intersection of belief sets. Facts are elements of the real. True be personal experience. So what may be real for one group of people, may be false for another group of people. If the other group hasn't experienced. I.e. if group a has experienced computers, and group b does not, then computers are true for group a. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; d2 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
