I'm baffled as to what you mean by "inferencial emergence". I think you've just been told (was it Derek?) that you're using key concepts in a v. confusing way. I would suggest - think about this, and try to define and use your main concepts consistently.
If you want to have another go at this below, I'll respond. From: Sergio Pissanetzky Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:30 PM To: AGI Subject: RE: [agi] Re: Emergent "Inference"? Mike, No, Mike, this is precisely inferencial emergence. In your pictures, I do see a human fetus developing, but I also see other things. I see a physical system and I see a process of learning - or acquiring information - and a process of self-organization. In an embrionic state, the fetus is still quite simple, at least when compared with what it is going to be 9 months later. The embrion immediately starts acquiring information, from the DNA it has inside, from organic molecules it feeds from, present in blood and in its environment. The initially relatively simple physical system grows in complexity, and as Physics requires, it begins to self-organize and to look the way it does in the pictures. The role of self-organization (by inference) in life has been ignored by most biologists, but that's only because they didn't know that EI existed. The notable exception is Stuart Kauffman, but he believes (incorrectly) that inference in life systems is of a quantum nature. Which is not correct. Sergio From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:43 AM To: AGI Subject: [agi] Re: Emergent "Inference"? P.s. Of course, the classic example of non-inferential emergence is: http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/wwwhuman/Stages/Images/Cst800.jpg The development of ideas in all creative projects proceeds along similar non-inferential lines. Creative ideas - and indeed all the concepts of language - are "born" and "grow" along fluid lines, via fluid transformations, rather than logical chains and outcomes. Somewhat like those water drops (if you can remember the foto I showed a while back) which can so dramatically change form. AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
