Mike, Sergio, et al, On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:
> ** > I'm baffled as to what you mean by "inferencial emergence". > > I think you've just been told (was it Derek?) that you're using key > concepts in a v. confusing way. I would suggest - think about this, and try > to define and use your main concepts consistently. > This is a VERY good point. We need an AGI-wide glossary/repository incorporating MANY terms we throw around, and to distill these terms as much as practical. A few common key terms include: weak AI strong AI weak AGI strong AGI emergent inference inferential emergence self-organization learning and MUCH MUCH more. Perhaps we should setup an email address to ONLY be used for new definitions. Authors could email in the definitions of new terms and phrases. Eventually, someone could alphabetize them and post them somewhere. Steve ============== > If you want to have another go at this below, I'll respond. > > *From:* Sergio Pissanetzky <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:30 PM > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: [agi] Re: Emergent "Inference"? > > Mike, **** > > ** ** > > No, Mike, this is precisely inferencial emergence. In your pictures, I do > see a human fetus developing, but I also see other things. **** > > ** ** > > I see a physical system and I see a process of learning - or acquiring > information - and a process of self-organization. In an embrionic state, > the fetus is still quite simple, at least when compared with what it is > going to be 9 months later. The embrion immediately starts acquiring > information, from the DNA it has inside, from organic molecules it feeds > from, present in blood and in its environment. The initially relatively > simple physical system grows in complexity, and as Physics requires, it > begins to self-organize and to look the way it does in the pictures. **** > > ** ** > > The role of self-organization (by inference) in life has been ignored by > most biologists, but that's only because they didn't know that EI existed. > The notable exception is Stuart Kauffman, but he believes (incorrectly) > that inference in life systems is of a quantum nature. Which is not > correct. **** > > ** ** > > Sergio**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2012 4:43 AM > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* [agi] Re: Emergent "Inference"?**** > > ** ** > > **** > > P.s. Of course, the classic example of non-inferential emergence is:**** > > **** > > http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/wwwhuman/Stages/Images/Cst800.jpg**** > > **** > > The development of ideas in all creative projects proceeds along similar > non-inferential lines. Creative ideas - and indeed all the concepts of > language - are "born" and "grow" along fluid lines, via fluid > transformations, rather than logical chains and outcomes. Somewhat like > those water drops (if you can remember the foto I showed a while back) > which can so dramatically change form.**** > > **** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com>**** > > ** ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
