Sergio, To your discussion I would like to add that our metabolic control systems are known to learn to mimic our mothers, so they continue doing the same sorts of things once they are born. For example, where a mother fails to utilize one of the several available temperature setpoints, the infant avoids the same setpoints - often into adulthood. There are many such examples where infants learn complex control strategies while in the womb, often when these were the result of some sort of earlier metabolic accident that the mother had. Hence, this clearly is NOT genetic.
Sometimes this can grow to encompass entire races of people!!! For example, maintaining 98.6F=37C body temperatures requires good nutrition, so people who have been subjected to starvation often drop this "control strategy". As a result, entire races of people who have been subjected to starvation generations ago are still unable to operate at 98.6F=37C, even GENERATIONS after the last incidents of widespread starvation, this having been passed through the maternal line through mimicry. Irish and American Indians typically have this problem. In some areas, this has grown to become a major public health problem. Steve ======================= On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Sergio Pissanetzky <[email protected]>wrote: > Mike, **** > > ** ** > > No, Mike, this is precisely inferencial emergence. In your pictures, I do > see a human fetus developing, but I also see other things. **** > > ** ** > > I see a physical system and I see a process of learning - or acquiring > information - and a process of self-organization. In an embrionic state, > the fetus is still quite simple, at least when compared with what it is > going to be 9 months later. The embrion immediately starts acquiring > information, from the DNA it has inside, from organic molecules it feeds > from, present in blood and in its environment. The initially relatively > simple physical system grows in complexity, and as Physics requires, it > begins to self-organize and to look the way it does in the pictures. **** > > ** ** > > The role of self-organization (by inference) in life has been ignored by > most biologists, but that's only because they didn't know that EI existed. > The notable exception is Stuart Kauffman, but he believes (incorrectly) > that inference in life systems is of a quantum nature. Which is not > correct. **** > > ** ** > > Sergio**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2012 4:43 AM > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* [agi] Re: Emergent "Inference"?**** > > ** ** > > **** > > P.s. Of course, the classic example of non-inferential emergence is:**** > > **** > > http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/wwwhuman/Stages/Images/Cst800.jpg**** > > **** > > The development of ideas in all creative projects proceeds along similar > non-inferential lines. Creative ideas - and indeed all the concepts of > language - are "born" and "grow" along fluid lines, via fluid > transformations, rather than logical chains and outcomes. Somewhat like > those water drops (if you can remember the foto I showed a while back) > which can so dramatically change form.**** > > **** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com>**** > > ** ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
