Mike, it is obvious you know it all and everyone on this list is wrong. Why do you persist in posting?
I automatically had your emails sent straight to the "deleted items" many years ago and I see you are still at it. It would seem to me that the purpose of the AGI list is to discuss issues having to do with AGI and if you are convinced AGI, algorithms and logic have no merit then leave. Just stop posting. The rest of us are already in agreement that AGI is desirable and that computer programs can be made to achieve it. We don't want to convince you. We don't all agree on the approach to AGI but we do agree that the trip is worth the effort. You can't even express your point without swearing. This is a sure sign that you have no argument. I have subscribed to this list for at least 10 years and I have never seen a single post from you that helped anybody in any way. Please do us all a favour and just go away. David Clark -----Original Message----- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: October-19-12 6:07 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] ONE EXAMPLE EA's/GA's endlessly permutate the SAME elements - and don't produce new elements. I've already discussed this a few posts back. And they LOOK like they only do the same thing - e.g. endless variations on electric circuits, but they can't generate new elements and go on to say, water or oil piping systems, or aquifers, or blood circulation. EA's can't even function without human guidance, period. And then there's the weasel - "how would you know it's creative?" There is no problem deciding what is creative - it involves incorporating new elements into activities - and thus finding new ways of achieving goals. That's what evolution does on the genetic level - incorporate new genes, not just permutate the old ones. Humans and animals never cease to incorporate new elements into their activities - to talk about new things, to navigate new fields, terrains, rooms, houses, urban environments, to handle new objects, new tools, new machines, new sports implements, new balls, new concepts, new ideas, new paradigms ... As for Ben, he has never faced the problem of AGI in his life. Ask him what ideas he has for AGI take-off/creativity. Deutsch has a point. The simple truth is that everyone is too scared to face the problem. . ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
