AT: Take ballet classes instead, and enter a world of rigidity and pain: certain joints have to be locked into position, a couple of muscles have to contract in very specific ways and speeds, and even the untrained eye can see the deviations.
Sounds like you’re thinking about *one* specific ballet position. But any systemic commands will have to apply to a whole range/class of similar ballet positions, not just one. So it’s hard to see how any general command at any level of the hierarchy of the system can be specific. I suspect the answer lies in the direction of Dennett, who I just referenced – i.e. having a *conflict* system through and through. All animal systems are conflict systems not just in the brain but down to the muscles, of course – with subsystems/muscles acting antagonistically. Perhaps (and I’m thinking here in a v. vague groping way) specificity of muscular position/physical action has to be achieved in an AGI robot, by having two general systems with fluid/fudgey commands acting in “democratic” conflict - presided over by an executive self. And that does require a revolution in computational/robotic thinking. A change from a flat, rigid, stereotypical rational system to one which is first “rounded,” iconic and creative, and only secondarily rational – (it will have to be both – you can’t have creativity without routines). From: Anastasios Tsiolakidis Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:46 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Iconic Programming/Morphological Computing On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: When you think of using the body as a part of computing – and not just some add-on for “grounding” at the end – it should start to revolutionise your (rigid) ideas about computing. I cannot call my ideas "entirely flexible" but I am sure that a lot of us are aware of the "squishy" possibilities of embodiment, including of course the squishy world around us, when you are moving on grass it is just a guess where you are stepping. That hardly means that the rigid world is without significance, the little excerpt specifically mentions rapid locomotion for squishiness. Take ballet classes instead, and enter a world of rigidity and pain: certain joints have to be locked into position, a couple of muscles have to contract in very specific ways and speeds, and even the untrained eye can see the deviations. Same thing with loads of mental training, you just can't fudge it. AT AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
