On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:53 PM, David Clark <[email protected]>wrote:
> I challenge you to describe something in a foreign language that can’t be > formulated in English? If necessary, I will just incorporate whatever > foreign word you say into English to make sure I win! Obviously every > language is English, right? > Human languages tend to be equivalent to each other, English is more expressive than most due to large vocabulary base. > **** > > ** ** > > So who should design projects in CS, Mathematicians or Computer > Scientists? > I usually design them in English :-|. > Should the point of view used to define a program depend on CS concerns > like efficiency, the real world etc or should it depend on theoretically > perfect Mathematical constructs?**** > > ** > Hmmm my point of view uses a multidisciplinary approach, that uses many sciences and even religious/spiritual belief systems. > ** > > I am not trying to play “one up man ship” on Mathematics!**** > > ** ** > > Like Rodney Dangerfield, I just don’t think we get our due respect!**** > > ** ** > > David Clark > Respect is distance, if people keep their distance from you, then they respect you. > **** > > ** ** > > PS Does it matter if you don’t feel slighted or not? Does your data point > negate my argument? > > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Aaron Hosford [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* January-07-13 6:51 PM > > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Why Logic & Maths Have Sweet FA to do with Real > world reasoning**** > > ** ** > > To an extent, I agree. Computer Science requires math in the same way that > Physics requires math. You can't do either without it, but neither is > merely math.**** > > ** ** > > However, I challenge you to name one computational construct which cannot > be formulated in mathematics. Mathematics could be looked at as a > technical, symbolic language, like any programming language, but this > wouldn't quite be correct. In fact, mathematics is the union of all such > technical, symbolic languages, plus the axiomatic truths which can be > expressed in them, which means that if you invent a subject technical > enough to require its own symbolic language but which isn't covered my > mathematics, mathematics will shortly spread to include it by nature of its > definition.**** > > ** ** > > I am a CS "specialist", and a mathematics enthusiast. I am not demeaned in > the slightest by the statement that all computation can be expressed > mathematically, anymore than a physicist is demeaned by stating that all > physics can be expressed mathematically. It's the truth, but it doesn't > mean that if you know math, you know CS or Physics, because each of those > fields has its own truths that don't come automatically with the language > used to express them.**** > > ** ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
