Math itself is a great example of "Iconic Programing" and vice versa.
Remember, math is instanced in a symbol set. Typically the most readily available is used. Others can be used to where math expands out using other symbol sets, different bases, etc.. You can even expand the symbol set out to where math doesn't appear as math anymore and you can call it something different if one so desires J John From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] What's the point of this except to avoid having to think about a new idea? If an "iconic program" used logic and/or maths, they would only be parts, not the whole program. The point of doing AGI is to solve the unsolved problems by identifying new technologies - not to use old technologies that show no signs of working. Your loyalty is to the old technologies. Old technologies never solve new creative technology problems. That's just a wrong idea. We didn't get to jets by adapting the propellor, or to neural nets by adjusting linear programs. From: Ben Goertzel <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:27 AM To: AGI <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [agi] Why Logic & Maths Have Sweet FA to do with Real world reasoning But if the robot is controlled by a computer program, that program is still embodying some logico-mathematical formula, at any particular point in time... -- Ben G On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: P.S. What I should have spelled out is that the moment you connect an icon to a body - for example, an icon of a hand to a physical hand **the icon automatically becomes a fluid schema** because a hand - like the body - is in effect a fluid schema itself. What can an agent do with a hand? Nobody can state a definite bounded set or frame of hand movements. A hand is capable of virtually infinite hand movements.A fluid range of movements with many yet to be discovered and many continually being invented. So a hand icon [when connected to a body/hand] ipso facto refers to a potentially infinite range of hand movements/shapes etc. No one shall enter into the kingdom of AGI who is not a roboticist. AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | Modify Your Subscription <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
