You're right about that! I don't trust any human, or group of humans,
to have both the ability to exercise power without consequences and to
have integrity. But corporation management is amount the most corrupt
groups in current society, and is a major corrupter of the political
system. (Not that it wasn't pretty corrupt already...politicians are a
major input that caused me to formulate "exercise of power without
consequences" as the key element.)
On 01/10/2013 07:17 AM, Aaron Hosford wrote:
I guess democracies have their issues too... I wonder how we get
around that with the president. (Yes, that's tongue in cheek.)
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Charles Hixson
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sorry, you've just concentrated power in the hands of a management
that has already been shown to be incredibly corrupt. (My take on
this is that lack of consequences leads to corruption, but that's
a slightly different topic.) Many corporation pay their top
management *extremely* large salaries, while shafting both the
lower level employees and the stockholders. In fact many
corporations pay their top executives huge salaries while losing
money hand over fist.
On 01/08/2013 03:30 PM, Aaron Hosford wrote:
If every citizen owned an equal share of every major corporation,
all those profits wouldn't be concentrated in the hands of the
few, and unnecessary competition would cease to be an issue.
Additionally, the interests of the shareholders would then be
aligned with the interests of the customers, meaning corporations
would no longer be expected to screw their customers in favor of
their shareholders. (Imagine the effect on advertising!)
Furthermore, as jobs are automated away, the dividends to all
would smoothly increase due to the cost savings, acting as social
welfare without the need for government intervention, the
proverbial robbing of Peter to pay Paul.
It's called the cooperative business model, and it has all the
benefits of the capitalist model and the socialist model
combined, without their flaws. Your neighborhood credit union is
one, and it probably was established during the Great Depression
to deal with the monetary woes that came from the last great wave
of automation, when people stopped working on farms. But
currently cooperatives aren't universal. I'd like to see a
universal cooperative, one whose sole basis for an ownership
share is citizenship. I think this is probably the only way to
smoothly transition from our current economic model into one
that's both efficient and fair.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:04 PM, just camel <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Because in a competitive environment which _requires_
exponential economic growth you get all the problems we are
facing today. You just ignore technological unemployment and
social asymmetries that get bigger and bigger. Today only a
few people benefit from robots/AI and millions suffer because
this socioeconomic framework does not provide them with the
necessities of life once their job is no longer required to
due higher efficiency/automation. Do you suggest that all the
millions of people working at McDonalds will find new jobs in
AGI R&D? Why do the most intelligent people on this planet
have such a hard time to think outside the box when it comes
to economics?
On 01/08/2013 01:19 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
I fail to see why people get upset over the prospects of
robots doing
their work for them, and the economic growth, freedom,
and improved
living conditions that go along with it.
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