I guess democracies have their issues too... I wonder how we get around that with the president. (Yes, that's tongue in cheek.)
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Charles Hixson <[email protected]>wrote: > Sorry, you've just concentrated power in the hands of a management that > has already been shown to be incredibly corrupt. (My take on this is that > lack of consequences leads to corruption, but that's a slightly different > topic.) Many corporation pay their top management *extremely* large > salaries, while shafting both the lower level employees and the > stockholders. In fact many corporations pay their top executives huge > salaries while losing money hand over fist. > > On 01/08/2013 03:30 PM, Aaron Hosford wrote: > > If every citizen owned an equal share of every major corporation, all > those profits wouldn't be concentrated in the hands of the few, and > unnecessary competition would cease to be an issue. Additionally, the > interests of the shareholders would then be aligned with the interests of > the customers, meaning corporations would no longer be expected to screw > their customers in favor of their shareholders. (Imagine the effect on > advertising!) Furthermore, as jobs are automated away, the dividends to all > would smoothly increase due to the cost savings, acting as social welfare > without the need for government intervention, the proverbial robbing of > Peter to pay Paul. > > It's called the cooperative business model, and it has all the benefits > of the capitalist model and the socialist model combined, without their > flaws. Your neighborhood credit union is one, and it probably was > established during the Great Depression to deal with the monetary woes that > came from the last great wave of automation, when people stopped working on > farms. But currently cooperatives aren't universal. I'd like to see a > universal cooperative, one whose sole basis for an ownership share is > citizenship. I think this is probably the only way to smoothly transition > from our current economic model into one that's both efficient and fair. > > > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:04 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Because in a competitive environment which _requires_ exponential economic > growth you get all the problems we are facing today. You just ignore > technological unemployment and social asymmetries that get bigger and > bigger. Today only a few people benefit from robots/AI and millions suffer > because this socioeconomic framework does not provide them with the > necessities of life once their job is no longer required to due higher > efficiency/automation. Do you suggest that all the millions of people > working at McDonalds will find new jobs in AGI R&D? Why do the most > intelligent people on this planet have such a hard time to think outside > the box when it comes to economics? > > > On 01/08/2013 01:19 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > I fail to see why people get upset over the prospects of robots doing > their work for them, and the economic growth, freedom, and improved > living conditions that go along with it. > > -- > -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ ------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/ > member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/ member/archive/rss/303/ > 23508161-fa52c03c<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23508161-fa52c03c> > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/ > member/?&<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------ ------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/ > member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/ member/archive/rss/303/ > 23050605-2da819ff<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/ member/?&id_ > secret=23050605-53e85d0d <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/232072-58998042> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > -- > Charles Hixson > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
