The governments probably already knows that the current system is broken
and will crash ... there are hundreds of thousands of people out there
already working on implementing a cooperative monetary system. They may
not succeed ... it may become really ugly ... but it can also be a very
smooth transition with the right plan. Using the right model the rich
and powerful can even keep their purchasing power and everyone else will
be elevated to a sensible standard of living. Once competition and the
incentive of personal profit is gone the "elites" have no more power ...
they only have power as long as others believe in their power, have fear
and compete. (divide et impera)
On 01/10/2013 08:53 PM, Charles Hixson wrote:
You're assuming that I can identify a system that *would* work in the
midst of large concentrations of power. I haven't been able to design
one that I can convince myself is viable. Saying "cooperation" is
easy. Doing it without creating centralizations of power is a lot
trickier.
For that matter, most people don't understand what money is. Money is
a promise, backed by coercive force. The promise is "if you give the
government as much money as it demands from you, it won't abuse you
excessively". If you have a house, one form of abuse is denying you
access to it. Etc.
So "changing how money works" is met with the full force of the
government, if it takes you seriously. Bitcoin will be an interesting
test. So far it isn't being taken seriously, but I, personally,
wouldn't want to get involved in that process. It strikes me as quite
dangerous, if it's much more successful than it's been so far.
No, I have an agenda that I'm trying to follow. A sort of pseudo AI
program that will be designed to reduce tensions, both personal and
interpersonal. I don't give myself very high odds of being
successful, but it seems better than any other approach that I see.
N.B.: It's not pretending to be a real AI program. It's a sort of
personal conversational chatbot, with a large store of knowledge. To
do what I intend it needs to be able to run on ordinary personal
computers, and not to interfere with other uses of the machines It
will, however, clearly need more resources than are available on
current home computers, much less phones. But then the program isn't
ready yet either. Perhaps in 5 years or a decade.
On 12/31/2012 01:16 AM, just camel wrote:
Then become active and help some organisations out there to change
the incentives from monetary profit to common weal by changing how
money works in our society ... talk to people, explain how
cooperation is the key to solve all socioeconomic problems and how a
non competitive monetary system is quite feasible especially with our
today's technology. Unless you think that we will have friendly AGI
within the next few years ... then of course focus on AGI ;-)
On 01/10/2013 12:22 PM, Charles Hixson wrote:
I don't trust any human, or group of humans, to have both the
ability to exercise power without consequences and to have
integrity. But corporation management is amount the most corrupt
groups in current society, and is a major corrupter of the political
system. (Not that it wasn't pretty corrupt already...politicians are
a major input that caused me to formulate "exercise of power without
consequences" as the key element.)
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