Mike, I have a problem with saying vision is a matter of graphics. if you look how non-artists draw things, it isn't like they are using imagery, People think in terms of schematic parts. When a regular person draws a face, for example, they put a head, nose, mouth, not a pixel accurate rendition. It takes a very different skill to twist things into a pure image. I think even your visual emphasis is not quite right, though I do recognize the importance of sensory information. In essence, I think you want to get _too_ close to sensation, when there are categorization and feedback steps in front of it which are needed for intelligent perception. We recreate, we don't recall. And I think you are missing important subtleties in that. andi
On May 14, 2013, at 1:04 PM, "Mike Tintner" <[email protected]> wrote: > To repeat : no question that multiple sense, multilevel processing is going > on, and is all vital. I'm just arguing that graphics are central (not the > whole tree) - and above all central for conceptual processing - what is > normally called "language" . And AI isn't yet capable of handling real > language or animal-level concepts. so we have to have an explanation of why. > > -----Original Message----- From: Andrew G. Babian > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:25 PM > To: AGI > Subject: Re: [agi] A General O.D. (Operational Definition) for all AGI > projects > > While I think it's valuable for Mike to be here emphasizing sensory input, my > position as well, Ben is clearly right that it isn't a matter of graphics > being missing. An intelligence must learn to handle all sensory inputs, and > possibly just touch can feed into the maps, with some work. In addition, > it's a learned sensory-motor system-- there is also feedback between senses > and motor output. > andi > > Can I help? > > On May 14, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What is your evidence that people unconsciously reason graphically, >> even when they feel like they're not? >> >> Of course, it's obvious the brain maintains multiple spatial maps >> (e.g. the allocentric map in hippocampus, and the egocentric maps in >> parietal cortex), and links this with visual cortex which is good at >> visual pattern recognition -- but what's your evidence that this sort >> of graphical/visual representation is universally widely used by >> people as the main tool for concept representation? >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> !. "You seem to be taking your own personal experience of thinking and ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
