I'm lost andi - what you're saying is basically consistent with me - "schematic" = "graphics."
On 15 May 2013 00:20, Andrew G. Babian <[email protected]> wrote: > Mike, I have a problem with saying vision is a matter of graphics. if you > look how non-artists draw things, it isn't like they are using imagery, > People think in terms of schematic parts. When a regular person draws a > face, for example, they put a head, nose, mouth, not a pixel accurate > rendition. It takes a very different skill to twist things into a pure > image. I think even your visual emphasis is not quite right, though I do > recognize the importance of sensory information. In essence, I think you > want to get _too_ close to sensation, when there are categorization and > feedback steps in front of it which are needed for intelligent perception. > We recreate, we don't recall. And I think you are missing important > subtleties in that. > andi > > > On May 14, 2013, at 1:04 PM, "Mike Tintner" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > To repeat : no question that multiple sense, multilevel processing is > going on, and is all vital. I'm just arguing that graphics are central (not > the whole tree) - and above all central for conceptual processing - what is > normally called "language" . And AI isn't yet capable of handling real > language or animal-level concepts. so we have to have an explanation of why. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Andrew G. Babian > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:25 PM > > To: AGI > > Subject: Re: [agi] A General O.D. (Operational Definition) for all AGI > projects > > > > While I think it's valuable for Mike to be here emphasizing sensory > input, my position as well, Ben is clearly right that it isn't a matter of > graphics being missing. An intelligence must learn to handle all sensory > inputs, and possibly just touch can feed into the maps, with some work. In > addition, it's a learned sensory-motor system-- there is also feedback > between senses and motor output. > > andi > > > > Can I help? > > > > On May 14, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> What is your evidence that people unconsciously reason graphically, > >> even when they feel like they're not? > >> > >> Of course, it's obvious the brain maintains multiple spatial maps > >> (e.g. the allocentric map in hippocampus, and the egocentric maps in > >> parietal cortex), and links this with visual cortex which is good at > >> visual pattern recognition -- but what's your evidence that this sort > >> of graphical/visual representation is universally widely used by > >> people as the main tool for concept representation? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Mike Tintner < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> !. "You seem to be taking your own personal experience of thinking and > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
