> Linux is fairly straightforward. What you're talking about is 20x more complicated.
True, but AI is also different in nature than building OSes. Something like making device drivers for every available machine, or making a great variety of applications build and install smoothly, naturally involves a lot of bodies doing moderately repetitive coding... AI requires less code than a broadly usable OS like Linux (acknowledging that the kernel of an OS can also be compact), but more complex code... So an initial working version of OpenCog is better analogized to the Linux kernel, plus enough non-kernel stuff to make the thing usable and demonstrable in some significant way.... Then once that core version has been excitingly demonstrated, getting a lot of support code built to connect the core OpenCog system to loads of other stuff will be easier, and will be more analogous to the build-out of the rest of the OpenCog system... *** Moreover, do you think once OpenCog has achieved sufficient functionality, governments, corporations are just going to sit back and watch you developed this thing on your own? Lol, OpenCog will probably be taken over by the US gov and use it as a weapon. Corporates will hire away all the top people and fork the project, etc. *** At some point, if OpenCog is successful, some fork of OpenCog will likely be used for military purposes. But recall, I lived in DC for 9 years and did a bit of military and intel AI consulting. I know what that part of the world wants. They mostly need stuff that's predictable and reliable, they don't need an early-stage AI toddler that creates its own ideas in a surprising way.... If we get OpenCog to do really cool stuff, there will be ways for the core team to be financially comfortable without any selling of souls to governments. None of the core team really has a mindset that wants to work for a gov't or a big company.... We all consider building an open source thinking machine more important than that. Note Linas Torvalds has not been recruited to work for a big company or the gov't either... Also note, our development efforts now are centered in Hong Kong and Ethiopia. We have a couple key developers in the US, but also a couple contributors in Iran.... This sort of open source project is not particularly well set up for any particular government to take it over... -- Ben On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > "About organizing thousands of programmers... my plan regarding OpenCog > would be do it much as Linux has done.... I.e. once OpenCog has achieved > sufficient functionality, it should attract a variety of different > resources ... volunteers, university students, people within big companies, > etc. ..... Linus Torvalds and the Linux kernel team do not employ or > control all these people. They each contribute for their own > motivations..." > > Linux is fairly straightforward. What you're talking about is 20x more > complicated. Moreover, do you think once OpenCog has achieved sufficient > functionality, governments, corporations are just going to sit back and > watch you developed this thing on your own? Lol, OpenCog will probably be > taken over by the US gov and use it as a weapon. Corporates will hire away > all the top people and fork the project, etc. > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So why don't you say you're developing the mind of an ape or raccoon >> since you haven't defined a toddler brain. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't know much about adolescent brains, but there is lots of >>> knowledge about toddler brains and minds and the correlations therebetween, >>> as described in standard texts like >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Developmental-Cognitive-Neuroscience-Mark-Johnson/dp/1444330861 >>> >>> that you probably know... >>> >>> ben >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I now see why we don't have AGI yet lol. PM, I studied cognitive >>>> neuroscience. Empirical evidence linking neurodevelopmental processes and >>>> adolescent real-world behavior remains nonexistent. Just because children >>>> lack knowledge of concepts like "conservation" doesn't mean they are >>>> systematically different like Ben is saying. It's called ignorance :) >>>> >>>> Holla! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Piaget Modeler < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> According to psychologists, a person's frontal lobe isn't developed >>>>> until mid to late 20's. >>>>> That's why teenagers cannot accurately predict the consequences of >>>>> their actions. >>>>> >>>>> Even Piaget noticed that concepts like "conservation" was not present >>>>> in children of >>>>> certain ages. There are just certain constructs that are not present >>>>> in infants, small children, >>>>> teenagers, that are indeed present in most adults. (Most because of >>>>> human variability.) >>>>> >>>>> ~PM >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:05:11 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Elon Musk And Mark Zuckerberg Have Invested $40 >>>>> Million In a so called Artificial Intelligence Company >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the links Ben, but those articles don't really support your >>>>> case. A child's brain is LESS efficient than an adult brain? Is that it? >>>>> Really? As we get older synapses get pruned and long-distance axonal >>>>> tracts >>>>> get more heavily insulated with myelin. Umm, okay. I believe that is >>>>> called >>>>> learning. Where are the many systematic differences? I bet a 35 y/ old >>>>> has >>>>> a more efficient brain than a 18 y/o. So lets call the 18 y/o old some >>>>> made >>>>> up name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10514698-9a8cda1e> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19237892-5029d625> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >>> James T. 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