Adding to my comment, one could characterize human-like consciousness in terms of relationships and beliefs borrowed from social systems theory including ideas and things similar to Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal algebra, gnorpsic functions, etc.. Consciousness you could say is relations between systems and in this particular case human belief systems, see:
http://www.gallup.unm.edu/~smarandache/Tesis_Nescolarde.pdf http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajss/2/2/2/ John > -----Original Message----- > From: John Rose via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 5:33 PM > To: AGI > Subject: RE: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness > > I disagree with this statement: > > "Of course, different parameter vectors for the consciousness process will > tend to lead to different patterns in consciousness contents ... e.g. one is > unlikely to do one's taxes while tripping on LSD, etc." > > Au contraire, completing taxes often requires consuming copious quantities > of consciousness altering substance! > > Seriously, so I captures a chipmunk from my garden in a little cage and put > him on my desk. After a while he settles down. I look at him, he looks at me I > think, ya he’s conscious. He’s thinking something... in his eyes there is a > slight > connection but it’s a (human <-> chipmunk) consciousness sharing > experience lacking in many ways for both him and I since we’re very > different. > > What’s missing in the paper I think is more emphasis on interaction of one > human consciousness with other human consciousness. What type of > consciousness would a feral child have? Or a brain in an isolated vat? > Ignoring > panpsychism, quantum consciousness or even consciousness as some sort of > reinforced belief characterizing human-like consciousness requires multiple > humans in some way verses only self-reflection/self-modeling. It requires > that human(s) have existed at some point in time in addition to those that > may be reading the paper whether or not the readers are human and a > human consciousness existence might enable tuning such measurements for > more accuracy. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Goertzel via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 4:50 AM > > To: AGI > > Cc: hk-addis > > Subject: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'd posted a version of this one earlier; the current version fixes > > some typos and has a few other minor tweaks... > > > > http://goertzel.org/goertzel_consciousness_review.pdf > > > > The goal is to make sense of various existing theories of > > consciousness, and try to integrate them into some sort of holistic > > practical understanding -- while acknowledging that there's still plenty > > left > to be discovered!!... > > > > ... ben > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Goertzel, PhD > > http://goertzel.org > > > > "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. > > James T. Kirk > > > > "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free > > our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
