You, or "Steve" is typically one main "thread". Though you can split your consciousness awareness for example try holding conversations with multiple people at once. But there are many compute resources / threads. Different people suggest different consciousness models. Typically there are event streams, conscious event moments like 40 Hz some say then these might be "beats" or harmonics.
IMO it’s possible to create a consciousness with only one OS thread rapidly multitasking and multiplexing. MAYBE. With that I’d be more looking at a minimalist insect like consciousness running on say an ARM processor. You could imagine what experiencing the color blue would take computation-wise. Many threads... BTW I am no expert on consciousness just a researcher here like most of ya’ll kicking around ideas. John From: Steve Richfield via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:34 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness Hi All, There seems to be an underlying oxymoron in the term "consciousness". Is it a single-thread sort of thing, e.g. as in a chain of consciousness, or is it a massively parallel sort of thing with millions (or more) of "threads" but where we often only perceive just one of them? Perhaps "threads" don't exist at all, except in our own perceptions of ourselves? Or, perhaps threads do exist, but only in a small part of our brain, and only used where needed. What sort of "architecture" are we talking about here? Thanks. Steve On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, martin biehl via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: "Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal algebra, gnorpsic functions" such a beautifully mysterious terminology! I don't get it though (not even partly, so many axioms!!!), it uses some non-standard analysis, sheaves and other serious maths, thanks for the links anyway. Had a good time looking at it. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Yes, that's interesting. More consideration of the Extended Mind aspects of consciousness would probably be valuable to incorporate in the paper... On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:44 PM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > Adding to my comment, one could characterize human-like consciousness in > terms of relationships and beliefs borrowed from social systems theory > including ideas and things similar to Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal > algebra, gnorpsic functions, etc.. Consciousness you could say is relations > between systems and in this particular case human belief systems, see: > > http://www.gallup.unm.edu/~smarandache/Tesis_Nescolarde.pdf > http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajss/2/2/2/ > > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Rose via AGI [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] >> Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 5:33 PM >> To: AGI >> Subject: RE: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness >> >> I disagree with this statement: >> >> "Of course, different parameter vectors for the consciousness process will >> tend to lead to different patterns in consciousness contents ... e.g. one is >> unlikely to do one's taxes while tripping on LSD, etc." >> >> Au contraire, completing taxes often requires consuming copious quantities >> of consciousness altering substance! >> >> Seriously, so I captures a chipmunk from my garden in a little cage and put >> him on my desk. After a while he settles down. I look at him, he looks at me >> I >> think, ya he’s conscious. He’s thinking something... in his eyes there is a >> slight >> connection but it’s a (human <-> chipmunk) consciousness sharing >> experience lacking in many ways for both him and I since we’re very >> different. >> >> What’s missing in the paper I think is more emphasis on interaction of one >> human consciousness with other human consciousness. What type of >> consciousness would a feral child have? Or a brain in an isolated vat? >> Ignoring >> panpsychism, quantum consciousness or even consciousness as some sort of >> reinforced belief characterizing human-like consciousness requires multiple >> humans in some way verses only self-reflection/self-modeling. It requires >> that human(s) have existed at some point in time in addition to those that >> may be reading the paper whether or not the readers are human and a >> human consciousness existence might enable tuning such measurements for >> more accuracy. >> >> John >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ben Goertzel via AGI [mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> ] >> > Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 4:50 AM >> > To: AGI >> > Cc: hk-addis >> > Subject: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I'd posted a version of this one earlier; the current version fixes >> > some typos and has a few other minor tweaks... >> > >> > http://goertzel.org/goertzel_consciousness_review.pdf >> > >> > The goal is to make sense of various existing theories of >> > consciousness, and try to integrate them into some sort of holistic >> > practical understanding -- while acknowledging that there's still plenty >> > left >> to be discovered!!... >> > >> > ... ben >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ben Goertzel, PhD >> > http://goertzel.org >> > >> > "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >> > James T. Kirk >> > >> > "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free >> > our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/? > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> & > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. James T. 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