actually, this is the closest I have ever seen to a "purely mental" or "purely subjective": Its the view of Jaynes that statistical physics is more like knowledge dynamics extended, I think... http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.5161
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:23 AM, martin biehl <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks John, that helped me more than those links. So does it have a > connection to physics at all or is it more like a "pure mental substance" > theory as opposed to the physical "pure material substance" theories? If it > is purely mental, again thanks for the heads up. > > Then I am intrigued. Are there other ones in the same vein? Maybe with > fewer axioms? Well now that I think of it the standard model needs a lot of > axioms as well if you were to list them all at once I guess... So tell me > guys is there more like that out there? I only know about physicalist > formal theories. Must be my education.... > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The Extended Mind hypothesis isn't really nonsense; Andy Clark and >> others have made a pretty strong case that it's valuable to contain >> tools and other parts of an agent's nearby, habitual environment as >> part of the agent's mind (since they are engaged in tight feedback >> loops w/ the other parts of the agent's mind, and the other parts of >> the agent's mind have specifically adapted to them) >> >> It's hard to effectively analyze the average Hongkongese girl's mind >> without considering her smartphone as part of the system, for example >> ;-) >> >> -- Ben G >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Matt Mahoney via AGI <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > That's being kind. Actually it is complete nonsense. >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, that's interesting. More consideration of the Extended Mind >> >> aspects of consciousness would probably be valuable to incorporate in >> >> the paper... >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:44 PM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Adding to my comment, one could characterize human-like consciousness >> in terms of relationships and beliefs borrowed from social systems theory >> including ideas and things similar to Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal >> algebra, gnorpsic functions, etc.. Consciousness you could say is relations >> between systems and in this particular case human belief systems, see: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.gallup.unm.edu/~smarandache/Tesis_Nescolarde.pdf >> >>> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajss/2/2/2/ >> > >> > -- >> > -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > AGI >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19237892-5029d625 >> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >> James T. Kirk >> >> "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free >> our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10872673-8f99760d >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
