"Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal algebra, gnorpsic functions" such a beautifully mysterious terminology! I don't get it though (not even partly, so many axioms!!!), it uses some non-standard analysis, sheaves and other serious maths, thanks for the links anyway. Had a good time looking at it.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, that's interesting. More consideration of the Extended Mind > aspects of consciousness would probably be valuable to incorporate in > the paper... > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:44 PM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Adding to my comment, one could characterize human-like consciousness in > terms of relationships and beliefs borrowed from social systems theory > including ideas and things similar to Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal > algebra, gnorpsic functions, etc.. Consciousness you could say is relations > between systems and in this particular case human belief systems, see: > > > > http://www.gallup.unm.edu/~smarandache/Tesis_Nescolarde.pdf > > http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajss/2/2/2/ > > > > John > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John Rose via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 5:33 PM > >> To: AGI > >> Subject: RE: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness > >> > >> I disagree with this statement: > >> > >> "Of course, different parameter vectors for the consciousness process > will > >> tend to lead to different patterns in consciousness contents ... e.g. > one is > >> unlikely to do one's taxes while tripping on LSD, etc." > >> > >> Au contraire, completing taxes often requires consuming copious > quantities > >> of consciousness altering substance! > >> > >> Seriously, so I captures a chipmunk from my garden in a little cage and > put > >> him on my desk. After a while he settles down. I look at him, he looks > at me I > >> think, ya he’s conscious. He’s thinking something... in his eyes there > is a slight > >> connection but it’s a (human <-> chipmunk) consciousness sharing > >> experience lacking in many ways for both him and I since we’re very > >> different. > >> > >> What’s missing in the paper I think is more emphasis on interaction of > one > >> human consciousness with other human consciousness. What type of > >> consciousness would a feral child have? Or a brain in an isolated vat? > Ignoring > >> panpsychism, quantum consciousness or even consciousness as some sort of > >> reinforced belief characterizing human-like consciousness requires > multiple > >> humans in some way verses only self-reflection/self-modeling. It > requires > >> that human(s) have existed at some point in time in addition to those > that > >> may be reading the paper whether or not the readers are human and a > >> human consciousness existence might enable tuning such measurements for > >> more accuracy. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Ben Goertzel via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 4:50 AM > >> > To: AGI > >> > Cc: hk-addis > >> > Subject: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness > >> > > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I'd posted a version of this one earlier; the current version fixes > >> > some typos and has a few other minor tweaks... > >> > > >> > http://goertzel.org/goertzel_consciousness_review.pdf > >> > > >> > The goal is to make sense of various existing theories of > >> > consciousness, and try to integrate them into some sort of holistic > >> > practical understanding -- while acknowledging that there's still > plenty left > >> to be discovered!!... > >> > > >> > ... ben > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ben Goertzel, PhD > >> > http://goertzel.org > >> > > >> > "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. > >> > James T. Kirk > >> > > >> > "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free > >> > our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. > James T. Kirk > > "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free > our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10872673-8f99760d > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
