It has to have a connection to physics particularly engineering in this case. Theories that claim to break the laws of physics still reside within the laws of physics. Even a bunch of abstract math still is represented and operates within those laws. There may be new laws unknown... With human consciousness theories I think we need to keep a keen eye on developments in quantum consciousness. Engineering consciousness might only require subset and functionality equivalences to get something up and running not the whole kit and caboodle with Psi et al. I think that what Ben is driving towards with his paper in terms of characterizing human-like consciousness. You have to know what it is before you build it.
John From: martin biehl via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:23 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Review paper on measuring consciousness Thanks John, that helped me more than those links. So does it have a connection to physics at all or is it more like a "pure mental substance" theory as opposed to the physical "pure material substance" theories? If it is purely mental, again thanks for the heads up. Then I am intrigued. Are there other ones in the same vein? Maybe with fewer axioms? Well now that I think of it the standard model needs a lot of axioms as well if you were to list them all at once I guess... So tell me guys is there more like that out there? I only know about physicalist formal theories. Must be my education.... On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: The Extended Mind hypothesis isn't really nonsense; Andy Clark and others have made a pretty strong case that it's valuable to contain tools and other parts of an agent's nearby, habitual environment as part of the agent's mind (since they are engaged in tight feedback loops w/ the other parts of the agent's mind, and the other parts of the agent's mind have specifically adapted to them) It's hard to effectively analyze the average Hongkongese girl's mind without considering her smartphone as part of the system, for example ;-) -- Ben G On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Matt Mahoney via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > That's being kind. Actually it is complete nonsense. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> Yes, that's interesting. More consideration of the Extended Mind >> aspects of consciousness would probably be valuable to incorporate in >> the paper... >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:44 PM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >>> Adding to my comment, one could characterize human-like consciousness in >>> terms of relationships and beliefs borrowed from social systems theory >>> including ideas and things similar to Deontical Impure Systems, Alysidal >>> algebra, gnorpsic functions, etc.. Consciousness you could say is relations >>> between systems and in this particular case human belief systems, see: >>> >>> http://www.gallup.unm.edu/~smarandache/Tesis_Nescolarde.pdf >>> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajss/2/2/2/ > > -- > -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19237892-5029d625 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/? > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> & > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. James T. Kirk "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10872673-8f99760d Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/? <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> & Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029-82d9122f> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
