On 10/21/15, Aaron Hosford <[email protected]> wrote: > justcamel, > > You may be right, but it's in the same sense that people of various > religious may be right. It's a completely untestable claim that you're > making. If we can't see it, can't touch it, can't experience it, can't > measure it, and it doesn't affect us in any way, then my question to you > is: Who Cares? Right or wrong, it's of no consequence to us and it's beyond > our capabilities. In that sense, you really are disconnected from reality > *even > if you are right*. This isn't a personal slam against you, so please don't > take it that way. I'm just explaining how I see it, and how (I think) Mike > sees it, too. >
Right. That is the positivist way of looking at it. They had no patience for metaphysical or other bullshit (as you likely know). "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent" as Wittgenstein put it. > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:45 PM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Erm? I wrote "Nothing *implemented within consciousness* can measure >> consciousness." >> >> You ARE consciousness ... you are not IMPLEMENTED within consciousness >> ... >> so you can experience and interact with consciousness on a more >> fundamental >> level than the implementational level. >> >> You are fundamentally different form an oscilloscope or your physical >> body >> ... both of which can _NOT_ experience or interact with consciousness >> outside of the implementational level as they are objects implemented >> within consciousness. >> >> I have posted about methods plenty of times ... "meditation" is a broad >> term. Everybody will find his/her very unique method. People on this >> mailing list generally feature an IQ of 2-3 STDs above median ... that's >> more than enough in order to experiment and to find methods that work >> best. >> >> On 22.10.2015 02:21, Aleks TK wrote: >> >> Nothing implemented within consciousness can measure consciousness. >> >> I think this statement is incorrect, or at the very least highly >> ambiguous. If there is no way to measure consciousness how can we talk >> about the concept to begin with? Or did you mean something else? >> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | >> Modify >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >> Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
