AGI is the ultimate understanding of consciousness in a scientific way.. by building it.
Many people pretend to have understandings of the brain/mind/consciousness and it can be a bit difficult to wade through all the non-sense. But if you can create a system that functions the same way brains do then you have strong evidence in favor of the claim that you know what you are talking about. It is certainly the case that you have a brain and introspection is taking place in that brain, and so introspection can provide you with valid data as to things that happen in brains. Which can be useful for gaining understandings of the sorts of things an AGI must be able to reproduce, but much of the functioning of the brain is subconscious, and as such is (by definition) in accessible to the conscious mind and thus this stands as a rather important limitation of introspection. --- PS Modafinil is good stuff. On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:17 AM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > It has profound consequences for all of us and WE can experience it every > single day. You just have to calm your mind beyond the threshold where it > no longer confuses "input" from the implementation realm (your body) and > where it becomes "open" to direct input from the host system (where your > consciousness "resides"). It just takes some training. We are not used to > interpreting "raw data" and tend to bias it at first. The very first times > you experience it you only get a few seconds of data and your consciousness > will shift back into the implementational world. > > It's like you stop playing WoW for a second ... look out of the window in > the more profound reality and "real" rays of light scare you a bit so you > shift your consciousness back into the reality you are used to. It takes > some practice and it's weird/scary in the beginning. > > Even if it was a personal slam. I don't care. I just try to get people to > explore consciousness in a scientific manner. After all, you can conduct > experiments in "consciousness space" without using oscilloscopes ... it's > all about repeatability and verifiability - right? > > Ben isn't trying to sell you anything when he writes about the > non-locality of mind. He experienced "consciousness space" first hand and > just points out his findings. Language and arguments can not make us > understand but we can gather first hand experience ourselves once we > overcome the "It's all bullshit and you are all stupid idiots and high on > some solvent." approach. > > There have been very simple minded people realizing this and now there are > highly intelligent (in an academic sense) people who realize it as well. > Their explanations help us to question our contemporary understanding of > reality. A random rice farmer talking about all of this in "weird" Hindu > terms will not manage to penetrate our cultural indoctrination and our > perceived intellectual superiority. People like Ben, who are using > metaphors and analogies which resonate with us much more, are having a > bigger impact. > > That's why I recommend Campbell's book. His model might not be correct in > every detail but it helps us to understand the bigger reality. The more > people there are exploring consciousness in a scientific way the better our > understanding will become. > > On 22.10.2015 03:23, Aaron Hosford wrote: > > It's a completely untestable claim that you're making. If we can't see it, > can't touch it, can't experience it, can't measure it, and it doesn't > affect us in any way, then my question to you is: Who Cares? Right or > wrong, it's of no consequence to us and it's beyond our capabilities. In > that sense, you really are disconnected from reality *even if you are > right*. This isn't a personal slam against you, so please don't take it > that way. I'm just explaining how I see it, and how (I think) Mike sees it, > too. > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
