On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Aaron Hosford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Again, there is the credibility problem. No one has established that these > "memories" correspond to things that actually happened, as opposed to mere > cognitive artifacts these people mistook for real memories. If you want the > rest of us to take these claims seriously, you must first demonstrably > connect the subjective experiences you describe to phenomena external to > those experiences. > So humans while highly valued on earth, their experience is pretty much worthless (subjective). Only a machine can be objective. Thus only baryonic phenomena can be real. As per your world view. > No amount of circumstantial/anecdotal evidence, sarcasm, explanation, or > unsubstantiated claims is going to make your argument convincing. I have > laid out the requirements over and over again for gaining credibility among > those of us who expect extraordinary claims to be supported with evidence. > Saying something a thousand times will not change our minds, but one solid > piece of evidence will. > > I wonder what that would be like, I mean I can't imagine a "solid piece of evidence", The most perhaps would be a picture or a video, though obviously that could be a hoax. My personal belief in terms of the spatial location of "spirit world", based on the albeit "subjective" experiences of regressed humans, is inside the earth itself, perhaps floating around in the magma, presumably it is hot enough there for it to be pretty bright all the time, and it has a liquid flowing quality to it, much like the spirit world. Though I don't really think "spirit world entities" are incarnate magma bubbles or anything. It's just that after rising up into the magnetosphere, people typically report feeling pulled along somewhere until it gets rather bright, which would seem to be to coincide with the interior of the planet, where the magnetosphere is being generated. Anyways so obviously "solid evidence" wouldn't convince anyone, nevermind the fact that the spiritual realm can't really be considered solid. I don't know if and when mainstream science will evolve beyond discriminating against human experience, and simply seeing humans as water based machines, which may have a degree of error. Certainly one of my goals with Joyful Lifestyle Co-op, at least on the science front, is to make anecdotal or "human experience" evidence, by simply having large data sets of citizen-science participants, and treating human experience, the same way we would treat the experience of machines. As previously mentioned, our best bet at making it accessible to AGI is via some kind of sensor, likely based on the pineal gland, in co-ordination with quantum processor (antennae) for focus/tuning. Sincerely, Logan > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you for bringing that up. I didn't plan on adding any more >> "bullshit" to this discussion ... but you brought up an important point: >> Exploring our past lives (they are all stored within consciousness in every >> detail for evolutionary and evaluation purposes) can be very beneficial. >> Many of our more profound fears can stem from experiences from past lives. >> "Browsing" through past lives can be done via meditation or via hypnosis. >> >> The CFO of Greenpeace Europe (<sarcasm>another crackpot with no >> intellectual/rational background</sarcasm>) told me that she also >> intentionally re-lived multiple death scenarios from past lives together >> with the corresponding temporary "afterlife" transitions. So if people want >> to know how life after physical death looks like they might start with >> exploring their own past afterlives. ;-) >> >> On 22.10.2015 23:07, Logan Streondj wrote: >> >>> Presumably it is also possibly given sufficient experience to meditate >>> yourself into a sufficient state to be able to access such personal >>> history. Though that would be rather subjective. >>> >>> David Newton's research does point to similar starting point as >>> justcamel mentioned, where the inexperienced are met with familiar or what >>> they expect after death, until they are ready to accept they are dead and >>> move onto the spirit realm, where they exist as balls of light. >>> Additionally there seems to be peer groups and group-guides, to help figure >>> out life experiences and what needs to be worked on in future. Then a >>> future life is plotted and reincarnation occurs. >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
