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On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Aaron Hosford <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Again, there is the credibility problem. No one has established that >> these "memories" correspond to things that actually happened, as opposed to >> mere cognitive artifacts these people mistook for real memories. If you >> want the rest of us to take these claims seriously, you must first >> demonstrably connect the subjective experiences you describe to phenomena >> external to those experiences. >> > > So humans while highly valued on earth, their experience is pretty much > worthless (subjective). > > Only a machine can be objective. > Thus only baryonic phenomena can be real. > As per your world view. > > >> No amount of circumstantial/anecdotal evidence, sarcasm, explanation, or >> unsubstantiated claims is going to make your argument convincing. I have >> laid out the requirements over and over again for gaining credibility among >> those of us who expect extraordinary claims to be supported with evidence. >> Saying something a thousand times will not change our minds, but one solid >> piece of evidence will. >> >> > I wonder what that would be like, > I mean I can't imagine a "solid piece of evidence", > The most perhaps would be a picture or a video, > though obviously that could be a hoax. > > > My personal belief in terms of the spatial location of "spirit world", > based on the albeit "subjective" experiences of regressed humans, > is inside the earth itself, perhaps floating around in the magma, > presumably it is hot enough there for it to be pretty bright all the time, > and it has a liquid flowing quality to it, much like the spirit world. > > Though I don't really think "spirit world entities" are incarnate magma > bubbles or anything. It's just that after rising up into the > magnetosphere, people typically report feeling pulled along somewhere until > it gets rather bright, which would seem to be to coincide with the > interior of the planet, where the magnetosphere is being generated. > > Anyways so obviously "solid evidence" wouldn't convince anyone, > nevermind the fact that the spiritual realm can't really be considered > solid. > I don't know if and when mainstream science will evolve beyond > discriminating against human experience, and simply seeing humans as water > based machines, which may have a degree of error. > > Certainly one of my goals with Joyful Lifestyle Co-op, at least on the > science front, is to make anecdotal or "human experience" evidence, by > simply having large data sets of citizen-science participants, and treating > human experience, the same way we would treat the experience of machines. > > As previously mentioned, our best bet at making it accessible to AGI > is via some kind of sensor, likely based on the pineal gland, > in co-ordination with quantum processor (antennae) for focus/tuning. > > > Sincerely, > Logan > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for bringing that up. I didn't plan on adding any more >>> "bullshit" to this discussion ... but you brought up an important point: >>> Exploring our past lives (they are all stored within consciousness in every >>> detail for evolutionary and evaluation purposes) can be very beneficial. >>> Many of our more profound fears can stem from experiences from past lives. >>> "Browsing" through past lives can be done via meditation or via hypnosis. >>> >>> The CFO of Greenpeace Europe (<sarcasm>another crackpot with no >>> intellectual/rational background</sarcasm>) told me that she also >>> intentionally re-lived multiple death scenarios from past lives together >>> with the corresponding temporary "afterlife" transitions. So if people want >>> to know how life after physical death looks like they might start with >>> exploring their own past afterlives. ;-) >>> >>> On 22.10.2015 23:07, Logan Streondj wrote: >>> >>>> Presumably it is also possibly given sufficient experience to meditate >>>> yourself into a sufficient state to be able to access such personal >>>> history. Though that would be rather subjective. >>>> >>>> David Newton's research does point to similar starting point as >>>> justcamel mentioned, where the inexperienced are met with familiar or what >>>> they expect after death, until they are ready to accept they are dead and >>>> move onto the spirit realm, where they exist as balls of light. >>>> Additionally there seems to be peer groups and group-guides, to help figure >>>> out life experiences and what needs to be worked on in future. 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