You still don't seem to understand that 90% of our jobs serve no
meaningful purpose ... that pointless growth and a pointless pressure to
invent new jobs or new "markets" is not a productive thing.
Anybody who stays at home and just counts their farts is socially MORE
valuable than 2-3 billion people doing #bullshitjobs. As he/she does not
maintain a broken narrative and system ... he/she does not waste
resources, fuel, time and energy producing systemic/redundant garbage
... he/she does not create traffic jams ... he/she does not sell
artificial scarcity ... he/she does not promote insecurity ... he/she
does not extract stuff from the commons ...
Why would anybody want to create an incentive to do stuff that does not
need to be done? The whole idea (over-saturating markets a 100-fold and
working just for the sake of working) is what gave us climate change and
a collapsing biosphere already ... and hundreds of millions of people
suffering from depression and burnout for no reason ... just so
meaningless numbers change ... numbers we believe to reflect progress or
wealth.
Transitioning to a FUNCTIONAL economy is not a big deal ... but it has
to start with a cooperative monetary system ... which no longer creates
money as debt ... which no longer forces us to grow in order to repay an
exponentially exploding pile of debt which can never be repaid ... which
no longer necessitates cancerous "growth" and #bullshitjobs. Once we
generate interest-free money as a #basicincome (as opposed to creating
money as interest-bearing debt, giving it to people while still holding
on to the absurd notion of infinite growth) we create the space for a
cooperative society and a totally different value- and incentive system
to emerge. Problem is that the system will do anything it can to
suppress any discussion regarding a cooperative monetary system,
degrowth or the end of the work-for-income paradigm.
On 12.03.2016 22:09, Steve Richfield wrote:
OK, so what we seem to need is a clear statement of how an alternative
FUNCTIONAL economy might work, and a blueprint of how to morph from
here to there without the population starving halfway through the process.
I envision a sort of split economy, where everyone is guaranteed a low
level of support, e.g. a place to pitch their tent, nutritious food,
Internet access, etc. However, if they want more, like a nice home and
a new car, they can supplement their VERY basic income by working,
innovating, etc. In short, socialism at the bottom, and capitalism at
the top.
The 1% effect could easily be fixed with a small wealth tax on all
assets not otherwise taxed - stocks, bonds, savings, etc., akin to
zakat, so that non-productive wealth would eventually be redistributed.
What do YOU see as a desirable achievable future.
/Steve/
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On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM, justcamel <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
All the people you mentioned stand for the same broken monetary
system, cancerous "growth" and 2-3 billion #bullshitjobs which are
destroying us and our planet.
It's quite interesting how people talk about differences between
Clinton and Trump when there basically are none on a fundamental
level ...
Also, implementing a #basicincome within the current broken
monetary system is stupid. The system will collapse anyway and
you'll just hear a lot of "Our economy collapses because of
communist ideas such as the #basicincome!!!" propaganda ... which
is not helping the idea at all. As long as people don't question
the way we create money as interest-bearing debt and as long as
people don't understand that "growth" and "more jobs" are the last
things we need, there will be no politician to talk about those
things ...
On 12.03.2016 05:38, Logan Streondj wrote:
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I'm just happy I don't live in US of A.
I like my cold low density Canada,
w00t w00t Trudeau w00t w00t
Leader of the future.
Basic income, legal MJ nation wide,
actually talking to advisors and people,
gender and ethnically diverse cabinet.
It's like Canadian banks and Credit Unions,
just everyone loves them, they are so helpful and kind.
Everyone is polite and friendly, (in small cities anyways),
smiles, hellos and how are you's everywhere you go,
and not just "have a good day" but "have a great day"!
If you're different, that's just cause for bigger smiles,
cause it's always wonderful to see something new and different,
with diversity is strength in our collage of culture.
Like it's just so marvelous and great,
profound joy swimming in plethora of goodness.
Though I dono maybe it's all the meditation.
*shrugs*
I guess Trump is like the antithesis of Trudeau,
with whoever wins, Bernie, Clinton or Trump,
I don't see it making much difference.
All of them will wage wars overseas,
all of them will support Israel,
even Trump as it's a "strategic ally",
so to me I don't really care.
Not that I have anything against Israel,
though some governments aren't supporting them,
due to Palestine conflicts and such.
Only difference might be internal,
Trump will give tax breaks to the rich,
tell the poor they are lazy,
and the working class will have fewer jobs,
because even if he deports all the human tomato pickers,
they will simply be replaced by robots.
And he wouldn't stand in the way of corporate profit.
Bernie might make it marginally more live able for the poor,
Clinton is a wild card, but as a women she is more likely to
integrate
opinions of others into her decisions, so America might have some
genuine growth and renewal, though of what kind depends on her
advisors.
On 03/11/2016 10:33 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:
EdFromNH . wrote:
Humanity currently IS quite stupid and self destructive.
(Witness Trump's current popularity as a candidate for
the most
important job in the world, based on little more than
a barrage
of empty, impossible to fulfill promises). And it is
not clear
humanity is capable of dealing with the powers that
superintelligence can create. But the
superintelligence genie is
not going to be put back in the bottle. There is too
much money
and power to be had by developing and using it. So
let us at
least try to increase the number of intelligent humans and
institutions that understand the danger better, so
humanity an at
least have a chance of surviving it for several more
generations
to come.
Look, u are not going to get Bernie Sanders because the
political
establishment has rigged all the voting machines to switch the
votes to Hillary, whom most people want gone. =\
I require one and only one task from Trump, to break the
stranglehold of the political establishment on our electoral
process. Everything else is gravy. I voted for him in the
primaries
and I hope to vote for him again in November.
- -- Logan Streondj,
A dream of Gaia's future.
http://joyfullifestyle.ca
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