> From: j.k. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On 06/02/2008 12:00 PM,, John G. Rose wrote:
> >
> > A rock is either conscious or not conscious. Is it less intellectually
> sloppy to declare it not conscious?
> >
> > John
> >
> 
> A rock is either conscious or not conscious (if consciousness is a
> boolean all-or-nothing phenomenon that does not admit of degrees). I
> don't believe consciousness is an all-or-nothing, but it doesn't matter:
> I still believe it is absolutely less intellectually sloppy to declare
> it not conscious.
> 

For all practical purposes saying a rock is not conscious is good to go. We are 
not talking about etched circuitry rocks, rock-like life forms on other 
planets, whole planets which may be construed as conscious rocks, basically 
just say for example a 1kg sphere of granite. 

A computationalist view of the whole universe as a conscious entity, well rocks 
are part of it. Also a rock as a sensory receiver, reactor and environmental 
interactor is arguable especially when throwing in time compression... but I 
won't be the one to fight that battle trying to explain it.

> Why do I believe this when I don't know it with absolute certainty?
> Because there are strong reasons to believe that certain (functional)
> prerequisites for consciousness are not satisfied by rocks, and there is
> additionally no evidence that rocks *are* conscious. I'm surprised that
> I would even have to state this on this forum (or that it would be
> objected to anywhere, for that matter).
> 

Some forums would vociferously object to someone saying that a rock is not 
conscious. That's why I said "consciousness" as a word is too umbrella. 
Somebody somewhere has broken it up and sub classified its constituent 
components.

John



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