You partly illustrate my point - you talk of "artificial brains" as if they
actually exist - there aren't any; there are only glorified, extremely
complex calculators/computer programs - extensions/augmentations of
individual faculties of human brains. To obviously exaggerate, it's
somewhat as if you were to talk of cameras as brains.
By implicitly pretending that artificial "brains" exist - in the form of
computer programs - you (and most AGI-ers), deflect attention away from all
the unsolved dimensions of what is required for an independent
brain-cum-living system, natural or artificial. One of those dimensions is a
society of brains/systems. Another is a body. And there are more., none of
wh. are incorporated in computer programs - they only represent one
dimension of what is needed for a brain.
Yes you may know these things "some times" as you say, but most of the time
they're forgotten.
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From: "Jan Klauck" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:56 AM
To: "agi" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [agi] The Collective Brain
Mike Tintner wrote
No, the collective brain is actually a somewhat distinctive idea.
Just a way of looking at social support networks. Even social
philosophers centuries ago had similar ideas--they were lacking our
technical understanding and used analogies from biology (organicism)
instead.
more like "interdependently functioning" with society
As I said it's long known to economists and sociologists. There's even
an African proverb pointing at this: "It takes a village to raise a
child."
System researcher investigate those interdependencies since decades.
Did you watch the talk?
No flash here. I just answer on what you're writing.
The evidence of the idea's newness is precisely the discussions of
superAGI's and AGI futures by the groups here
We talked about the social dimensions some times. It's not the most
important topic around here, but that doesn't mean we're all ignorant.
In case you haven't noticed I'm not building an AGI, I'm interested
in the stuff around, e.g., tests, implementation strategies etc. by
the means of social simulation.
Your last question is also an example of cocooned-AGI thinking? "Which
brains?" The only real AGI brains are those of living systems
A for Artificial. Living systems don't qualify for A.
My question was about certain attributes of brains (whether natural or
artificial). Societies are constrained by their members' capacities.
A higher individual capacity can lead to different dependencies and
new ways groups and societies are working.
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