The most powerful "concept" in the universe is "working together."
If atoms didn't attract and repel each other, then we'd have a universe where nothing ever happened. So, "Collective Brain" is a subset of the "collective" intelligence of the universe. On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 02:25 +0100, Mike Tintner wrote: > You partly illustrate my point - you talk of "artificial brains" as if they > actually exist - there aren't any; there are only glorified, extremely > complex calculators/computer programs - extensions/augmentations of > individual faculties of human brains. To obviously exaggerate, it's > somewhat as if you were to talk of cameras as brains. > > By implicitly pretending that artificial "brains" exist - in the form of > computer programs - you (and most AGI-ers), deflect attention away from all > the unsolved dimensions of what is required for an independent > brain-cum-living system, natural or artificial. One of those dimensions is a > society of brains/systems. Another is a body. And there are more., none of > wh. are incorporated in computer programs - they only represent one > dimension of what is needed for a brain. > > Yes you may know these things "some times" as you say, but most of the time > they're forgotten. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jan Klauck" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:56 AM > To: "agi" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [agi] The Collective Brain > > > Mike Tintner wrote > > > >> No, the collective brain is actually a somewhat distinctive idea. > > > > Just a way of looking at social support networks. Even social > > philosophers centuries ago had similar ideas--they were lacking our > > technical understanding and used analogies from biology (organicism) > > instead. > > > >> more like "interdependently functioning" with society > > > > As I said it's long known to economists and sociologists. There's even > > an African proverb pointing at this: "It takes a village to raise a > > child." > > System researcher investigate those interdependencies since decades. > > > >> Did you watch the talk? > > > > No flash here. I just answer on what you're writing. > > > >> The evidence of the idea's newness is precisely the discussions of > >> superAGI's and AGI futures by the groups here > > > > We talked about the social dimensions some times. It's not the most > > important topic around here, but that doesn't mean we're all ignorant. > > > > In case you haven't noticed I'm not building an AGI, I'm interested > > in the stuff around, e.g., tests, implementation strategies etc. by > > the means of social simulation. > > > >> Your last question is also an example of cocooned-AGI thinking? "Which > >> brains?" The only real AGI brains are those of living systems > > > > A for Artificial. Living systems don't qualify for A. > > > > My question was about certain attributes of brains (whether natural or > > artificial). Societies are constrained by their members' capacities. > > A higher individual capacity can lead to different dependencies and > > new ways groups and societies are working. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > agi > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > > Modify Your Subscription: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
