Hi David,
even further... for those that do not know yet, any legal or private
person can become a member of the RIPE NCC while the ARIN
policies/procedures still require a company to have a legal presence in
the ARIN region in order to request resources.
And, btw.. have I already mentioned that the RIPE Community has
completely removed the demonstrated need from their policy? I think I
was only discussing this matter in the APNIC mailing lists and maybe
those subscribed to this mailing list should also be aware of.
cheers,
elvis
On 05/06/14 03:30, David Huberman wrote:
I agree completely, Elvis. There's an argument to be made that if ARIN won't
be flexible with transfer policy, that RIPE becomes the most useful RIR for
operators to work within. There's a further argument that's been made that the
time for regional IRs may be passed (past?) and that IETF should review the
situation.
David R Huberman
Microsoft Corporation
Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
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Hi David,
On 05/06/14 02:21, David Huberman wrote:
We're going to be a cross-roads very soon. ARIN is going to exhaust, and
network operators will be unable to obtain additional IPv4 address blocks from
ARIN. At that point, the most obvious solution for IPv4 needs will be the
market.
And then, they will be able to register as RIPE NCC members (LIRs) and
receive as many IP addresses as they want without having to prove any
demonstrated need. All they will need to do is to confirm that they will
use these addresses for themselves or their customers.
Proper stewardship of the ARIN function demands that ARIN policy adjust to
what happens in the market. It's not the other way around, if only because
that's not how markets work.
The ARIN CEO, ARIN's General Counsel, the Harvard economist ARIN pays,
professors who study markets, brokers who operate in the market, and buyers and
sellers who buy and sell in the market have all told the ARIN community the
same story for around 5 years now: the market is going to act as a market, and
ARIN policy needs to be ready for it; ARIN policy needs to make sense with the
dynamics of the market.
It's hard to know how to argue with operators like Owen and the Google folks
who all say the opposite; that ARIN policy should stick to the same ideals as
1995 (important ideals for a very long time!) and not adjust. I fear the
results of this kind of ostracism :(
Well, then let them slowly kill the ARIN function. If all ARIN members
can no longer get resources and they stop paying and go to the cheapest
RIR (which btw is RIPE NCC with EUR1600/year no matter how many
resources one has) and get as many resources they want... what do you
think will happen?
cheers,
elvis
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