Hi John,
On 05/06/14 04:05, John Von Stein wrote:
Elvis,
So does that mean a US based ISP such as QxC wanted / needed an
additional IPv4 allocation we could simply go to RIPE and get the IPv4
we want/need?
yup :) and only for EUR1600/year and with no transfer fees :)
cheers,
elvis
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Elvis Velea
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:35 PM
To: David Huberman
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
Hi David,
even further... for those that do not know yet, any legal or private
person can become a member of the RIPE NCC while the ARIN
policies/procedures still require a company to have a legal presence
in the ARIN region in order to request resources.
And, btw.. have I already mentioned that the RIPE Community has
completely removed the demonstrated need from their policy? I think I
was only discussing this matter in the APNIC mailing lists and maybe
those subscribed to this mailing list should also be aware of.
cheers,
elvis
On 05/06/14 03:30, David Huberman wrote:
> I agree completely, Elvis. There's an argument to be made that if
ARIN won't be flexible with transfer policy, that RIPE becomes the
most useful RIR for operators to work within. There's a further
argument that's been made that the time for regional IRs may be passed
(past?) and that IETF should review the situation.
>
> David R Huberman
> Microsoft Corporation
> Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
>
> ________________________________________
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on
> behalf of Elvis Velea <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:21:52 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
> Hi David,
>
> On 05/06/14 02:21, David Huberman wrote:
>> We're going to be a cross-roads very soon. ARIN is going to
exhaust, and network operators will be unable to obtain additional
IPv4 address blocks from ARIN. At that point, the most obvious
solution for IPv4 needs will be the market.
> And then, they will be able to register as RIPE NCC members (LIRs) and
> receive as many IP addresses as they want without having to prove any
> demonstrated need. All they will need to do is to confirm that they
> will use these addresses for themselves or their customers.
>
>> Proper stewardship of the ARIN function demands that ARIN policy
adjust to what happens in the market. It's not the other way around,
if only because that's not how markets work.
>>
>> The ARIN CEO, ARIN's General Counsel, the Harvard economist ARIN
pays, professors who study markets, brokers who operate in the market,
and buyers and sellers who buy and sell in the market have all told
the ARIN community the same story for around 5 years now: the market
is going to act as a market, and ARIN policy needs to be ready for it;
ARIN policy needs to make sense with the dynamics of the market.
>>
>> It's hard to know how to argue with operators like Owen and the
>> Google folks who all say the opposite; that ARIN policy should stick
>> to the same ideals as 1995 (important ideals for a very long time!)
>> and not adjust. I fear the results of this kind of ostracism :(
> Well, then let them slowly kill the ARIN function. If all ARIN members
> can no longer get resources and they stop paying and go to the
> cheapest RIR (which btw is RIPE NCC with EUR1600/year no matter how
> many resources one has) and get as many resources they want... what do
> you think will happen?
>
> cheers,
> elvis
>
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