Elvis,
So does that mean a US based ISP such as QxC wanted / needed an additional IPv4 allocation we could simply go to RIPE and get the IPv4 we want/need? Thank you, John W. Von Stein [cid:sigimg0@791f5d9d52446f85c6fed00adec61823] 102 NE 2nd Street Suite 136 Boca Raton, FL 33432 Office: 561-288-6989 www.QxCcommunications.com<http://www.qxccommunications.com/> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elvis Velea Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:35 PM To: David Huberman Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers Hi David, even further... for those that do not know yet, any legal or private person can become a member of the RIPE NCC while the ARIN policies/procedures still require a company to have a legal presence in the ARIN region in order to request resources. And, btw.. have I already mentioned that the RIPE Community has completely removed the demonstrated need from their policy? I think I was only discussing this matter in the APNIC mailing lists and maybe those subscribed to this mailing list should also be aware of. cheers, elvis On 05/06/14 03:30, David Huberman wrote: > I agree completely, Elvis. There's an argument to be made that if ARIN won't > be flexible with transfer policy, that RIPE becomes the most useful RIR for > operators to work within. There's a further argument that's been made that > the time for regional IRs may be passed (past?) and that IETF should review > the situation. > > David R Huberman > Microsoft Corporation > Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS) > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on > behalf of Elvis Velea <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:21:52 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers > > Hi David, > > On 05/06/14 02:21, David Huberman wrote: >> We're going to be a cross-roads very soon. ARIN is going to exhaust, and >> network operators will be unable to obtain additional IPv4 address blocks >> from ARIN. At that point, the most obvious solution for IPv4 needs will be >> the market. > And then, they will be able to register as RIPE NCC members (LIRs) and > receive as many IP addresses as they want without having to prove any > demonstrated need. All they will need to do is to confirm that they > will use these addresses for themselves or their customers. > >> Proper stewardship of the ARIN function demands that ARIN policy adjust >> to what happens in the market. It's not the other way around, if only >> because that's not how markets work. >> >> The ARIN CEO, ARIN's General Counsel, the Harvard economist ARIN pays, >> professors who study markets, brokers who operate in the market, and buyers >> and sellers who buy and sell in the market have all told the ARIN community >> the same story for around 5 years now: the market is going to act as a >> market, and ARIN policy needs to be ready for it; ARIN policy needs to make >> sense with the dynamics of the market. >> >> It's hard to know how to argue with operators like Owen and the >> Google folks who all say the opposite; that ARIN policy should stick >> to the same ideals as 1995 (important ideals for a very long time!) >> and not adjust. I fear the results of this kind of ostracism :( > Well, then let them slowly kill the ARIN function. If all ARIN members > can no longer get resources and they stop paying and go to the > cheapest RIR (which btw is RIPE NCC with EUR1600/year no matter how > many resources one has) and get as many resources they want... what do > you think will happen? > > cheers, > elvis > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any issues.
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