Hi Rob,
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that it was you who used the word troll or
other objectionable words.
But by pointing out what you did on a public list, you crossed the line IMO.
If you think I crossed a line calling you out, so be it, I've expressed
myself completely on the issue.
Regards,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Seastrom
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:17 PM
To: Mike Burns
Cc: Steven Ryerse ; Rob Seastrom ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
"Mike Burns" <[email protected]> writes:
I'm uncomfortable with what Mr. Seastrom did there, choosing the
example he did.
As a community we strive to be inclusive, and one way to stifle
conversation is to go ad hominem, even if obliquely.
The irony of being called out personally and accused of making an
ad-hominem attack for pointing out that someone's own organization is
not following a well-known BCP (for presumably valid and calculated
business reasons) is not lost on me.
I hope we don't see more of that kind of thing on this list, nor
language about trolls or whatnot.
Nor gratuitous red herrings insinuating that people have used language
that they never have. Does that work for you?
-r
Regards,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Seastrom
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:12 AM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> writes:
Well Rob, we would have both of our name servers on topologically
distinct networks but ARIN denied our small IPv4 allocation request!
Topologically distinct means not sharing facilities or upstreams.
Think off-site, on the other coast, or out-of-country, on networks not
run by you. You are not kept from following these BCPs by
difficulties in your interface with ARIN. It's a business decision
that it's too hard to do the right thing so you'll try and squeak by
with the absolute minimum.
You proved my point that small Orgs have it tougher than larger ones
getting resources.
Actually not, and I offered a specific counterexample to your
assertion that small organizations do not have the resources to
participate in the RIR or operator community, which you chose not to
quote.
-r
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