I've been kind of saving up for a few days to respond to this .... :) I've been on both sides of the fence - as well as under, over, and impaled on it. I think it's unfair to say that the companies in the middle do nothing - they actually take on a fair amount of risk. There are situations where the client will not pay for a variety of reasons (poor receipt documentation, failure to perform, etc.). I do find it extremely frustrating in those situations where you find there are 9 layers of billing between the customer and the contractor. I remember in the bad days of 2001/2002 we say a posting for a Remedy developer for $35/hour INCLUDING travel. I can't imagine they ever filled that job. I don't think this is in anybody's interest and we specifically avoid these situations. As a contractor myself - and as a co-owner of a company that provides contracting resources - we take on a large amount of risk for every job we do. We have about 15 consultants at the moment but we continually hire 1099 contractors as needed. We have worked with some GREAT contractors over the years - and there's been some horror stories as well. I could tell numerous stories where we lost money on sub-contracting situations but the real point is this: There is risk for the middle-men. And often they do provide a service both parties need. We have been on both sides of that - good and bad - and you can usually very quickly tell what kind of outfit you are working with. William Rentfrow Principal Consultant, StrataCom [EMAIL PROTECTED] O 952-432-0227 C 701-306-6157
________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Tortolero, Joseph Sent: Wed 8/6/2008 9:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Salary in Bay Area ** Shawn, Right ON!.... Remedy peeps...good Remedy peeps should NOT devalue themselves...if you are willing to take 50-60 an hour you are screwing everyone by giving away your HARD earned money and devaluing our profession. The bar should be set at 100 minimum an hour. And Shawn is COMPLETELY correct about that 15%, in fact I go 12% tops. Anything more then that and you are getting robbed. It's not like we don't get 10-15 calls a week with job offers...we are needed and will be needed...set the standard, maintain the standard. Thank you, -j Joe Tortolero Remedy Consultant Desk - 561-682-2780 Cell - 561-665-1363 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://mail.stratacominc.com/exchange/resumes/Drafts/image001.jpg> ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Salary in Bay Area That's strange but it makes sense that the bay area would pay less than the rest of the country due to an overabundance of Remedy people. You can probably get six figures as a Remedy developer with more than ten years just about anywhere in the U.S. if you are working on ITSM, although no person with that much experience should even be supporting a home grown system for less than $80k/year anywhere. You can get that much at a job in Oklahoma or Ohio, which have much lower costs of living than the bay area. It's all about supply and demand though, so if you want to be paid well you have to live somewhere that has very few Remedy people available, and a lot of companies making decent money so they can pay a decent salary too. As far as consulting, with 10 years of experience I would suggest looking at a minimum of $125/hour. I know BMC charges twice that for their senior people, and a lot of the major Remedy consulting firms charge similar rates. Any consulting firm that keeps more than 15% or $15/hour from your rate (depending on whether you are making more or less than $100/hr) is keeping too much. When I first did consulting I was ripped off a few times because I went through too many layers, where you have a small consulting firm taking 15%, who has a deal with a larger consulting firm taking 15%, who then deals directly with the client. In fact, I remember working with a guy who was being paid less than $40/hour while the client was paying $150/hour only because he had three or four consulting firms in the middle who each took their cut. When consulting, always ask who the direct client is, and if they refuse to tell you or if they tell you the name of another consulting company, don't let them submit your information to the client. Shawn Pierson __Platinum Sponsor: www.rmsportal.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ __Platinum Sponsor: www.rmsportal.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor: www.rmsportal.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
