GuyDebord;271514 Wrote: > Im sorry but I have never liked measurments and any arguments made > around them, and this for one simple reason: I dont listen to music > with my eyes or mathematic skills, I listen to music with my ears, and > my ears dont understand measurements. > > Saying this, I agree with all of you that prove a cd has a lower noise > floor, I cant argue with science on this. However, if I forget about > science and immerse in feeling and truth to music, the lp has the > lowest noise floor of all, dead black. > OK, so you aren't interested in measurements. Well, I also LISTENED to the noise that I measured. Sure enough it sounded like noise, mostly hiss with a little hum mixed in. And when I cranked the volume enough to hear the CD dither (which contained no hum BTW), the analog tape noise fairly blasted from the speaker compared with low level hiss from the dither.
My point is that a 1960-era recording is completely inappropriate as a demonstration of the noise floor of CD. The dynamic range window offered by the tape formulations available at the time is nowhere near CD. I'm not questioning the artistic qualities of the music or the recording. I enjoy this and similar recordings because of the musical and sonic artistic inspiration they embody, not for how they measure. But I do understand the limitations of the technology used to record them. And with no knowledge of the lineage of the CD vs the LP's lineage, we can only guess as to where in the process which noise was introduced by what, but it is obvious, both measuring AND listening, the noise was digitized and RECORDED from an analog source onto the CD. My guess is that, at most, your LP vs. CD comparison simply shows that they got a quieter transfer from the source tape when they cut the LP that when to CD was mastered, which could be the case for any number of reasons, from using a lower-generation tape for the LP to, if it was in fact the same tape, it probably had hundreds of playback passes between when the LP was cut and when the CD was mastered. To move back toward "Turn Me Up", there are those who feel that one cannot tell anything about how a song will sound by looking at its waveform in the editor. That's partially right and partially wrong. Although you can make a reasonable guess as to how certain things will affect the sound, the only way to know is to listen. However, there is one thing you can KNOW, that sounds with clipped peaks will not be an ACCURATE reproduction of the original sound. Will that inaccuracy be detectable to a person's ear? Well, THAT is the question... Will different people have different opinions regarding which clipping their ears can detect? Almost certainly. -- Timothy Stockman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
